Actually, Phreak did test this and it was not the case… as of when he commented on it :^)

They did apply a micropatch to this at the start of 13.22, and so the issue was fixed, but the hotfix was only sent to live and never to the actual game data. So now the bug’s back!

BMB, according to Riot, had the issue of being too much at once.

It brought a ton of new items, it brought the additional currency as another objective to go towards, and it brought the minion upgrades, making it a lot to digest.

Nexus Blitz seems to be a sort of offspring of that, keeping one side (the ton of new items) and integrating it into something else that can feel exciting. It might not be out of the question that someday they’ll make something happen from the rest in another game mode (my guess is that they’ve internally tried that, just to no avail, or to no avail yet).

Why is it even in the game at this point? Riot probably forgot about it in the new season changes as well

It’s one of the top 3 most popular starting items on a few top laners. The most popular one on Illaoi, too, bought in 60% of her games (probably same thing for some other champions too, I just don’t want to individually look everything up).

So what happened here is that Kalista got an assist on his allied Maokai.

Kalista got ulted by Renata, and she then got an attack off on Maokai after the Renata ult had just worn off. This makes the damage be credited as hers, allowing her to get the assist on that kill (and the gold for it). You can also kill your ally that way.

It’s an older bug, I encountered it one year ago, and I think there might have been one extra condition to it (I remember we ran tests on that but I don’t remember the outcome). The condition would be dealing damage that wouldn’t be exactly the attack’s (ie on-hits or Collector or something like that).

Senna also damaged Maokai, but she was still Renata-ulted when her attack landed.

Ignore ppl saying renata bug, its a nocturne bug

Sounding that sure of yourself when being wrong isn’t the best thing to do.

First, the Nocturne bug couldn’t cause a situation like that - only one person died in that fight / by that point, so there really was only one kill that happened. Adding an assist that didn’t exist isn’t something Nocturne can do.

Second, even if it had been, you can watch the replay, no kill happened during Nocturne’s ult. The kill (even the Renata W proc) took place after his ult had worn off.

I’m not sure it’s a Renata bug, because I’m not understanding why only Kalista would get an extra assist, and the scoreboard is hidden during the fight. But what’s for certain is that it’s no Nocturne ult bug.

The ideas they tested for Vel’koz when they were developing him in 2014 may behave completely differently in 2023.

It’s not about “when they were developing him”, it’s a constant thing. They try things for champions, sometimes extensively, and sometimes it leads to nothing (see Miss Fortune’s character rework plan, for example).

That nothing has changed for VK in a while doesn’t in the slightest mean that nothing has been attempted internally.

you have no idea what internally was tried before they decided on what to ship to prod.

This is the biggest thing for me.

People who balance - and that applies to a bunch of other topics in League and in general - spend their days doing that. When someone has a sudden realization or a thought of “they should just do that, I have no idea why they haven’t”, there’s a near-zero chance that they haven’t already thought about it and given it a try. And if it’s not been implemented, it’s because it caused a bigger problem somewhere else.

Suggesting ideas isn’t bad, it never is (this is in the context of public forums and not of going up to the person directly). But doing it in a way that’s either insulting or even just coming from a place of pretentiousness is very much unhelpful (besides obviously being an asshole’s thing to do).

I’ve given ideas that I thought and think were well-thought out. I know they were listened to. And they were never applied. And I’ve always been totally fine with that, and that’s… the norm? If they never actually got followed, it’s because they saw something that I didn’t that was causing issues. And I don’t need to know what it was - yeah, I’d like to, because it’s interesting. But it would be interesting for me and nothing but a time cost for them. So demanding that would be completely selfish.

To give one simple and clear example of how the people at Riot just know things we don’t - in 2019, lots of people were complaining about how the arena picked for the World finals was small and how Riot could have picked a bigger one in Paris, followed by the assumption that they probably didn’t just because they were stingy. Turns out, someone from the team in charge of that told me the reason why they had to opt out of the bigger arenas was because the material they had to hang from the ceilings was heavier than the limits these stadiums had.

So… yeah. Assuming that one knows and understands everything is wrong, unhelpful, and also very pretentious.

Pointing out issues (constructively, and it should have been needless to say, in a non-sociopathic way) is great and super helpful.

Suggesting ideas can always be useful (again, same remarks, shouldn’t need to be specified).

Suggesting ideas from the assumption that one just knows better and especially knows better than the people in charge very much isn’t.