Man I didn’t realize how short range that car was.

I’d be worried it’s the charging port in the car.

it does seem like they prioritize Model S/X owners.

They absolutely do. I think it’s quiet, but BMW or Mercedes does exactly the same thing.

They’ll give a driver of a M760 a loaner and offer to phone a taxy for the beat up old X1 that’s in for the same service. Comparing the $170k car to the $28k car.

Tesla has a similar (well not as dramatic) spread in car prices.

Frankly, Vandalism is a cause for a good fraction of the outages in urban areas.

And putting a charger in Hollywood of all places (which isn’t the “safest” neighborhood by modern American suburb standards) is… challenging.

Imagine spending $400k on a fancy new 5-station charging setup only to have the cables cut for $23 worth of copper the next evening.

I’m curious what the viability is to set up a new fast charging station.

The one thing I know from a friend who did some research was that selecting the “box” was by far the easiest and cheapest part.

Getting near-Gigawatt electrical service was NOT easy and heavily restricted the location that it could cost-effectively be installed.

Also, getting permits from the city may be the reason Tesla doesn’t have it yet as they city may be stingy in this particular densely populated area.

Also challenging is leasing the parking spots, as this kind of use reduces the number of zoned parking spots available for buildings and most in very urban areas are built right at zoning minimums, so they don’t actually have parking spots that they can legally give up. (which is why you see a bunch in parking ramps in urban areas).

I’d expect half a million $$ in investment or so. Payoff is like 20 years.

My friend bailed after getting a bunch of quotes for service. It wasn’t even close to profitable unless you HAPPEN to have a free parking location with high-voltage power already adjacent (which is decidedly rare in major cities) and major government subsidies.

Yeah, they’re basically prototypes.

The first generation of battery from most EV companies had a silly high failure rate.

Tesla, GM, Nissan, Audi, etc all had really high failure rates in the first generation of cars. In the 30% range for GM and Nissan, in the 5% range for Tesla.

The motors had high failure rates (again in their first generation). Similar rates.

They’ve also added high-complexity parts like heat pumps in their first automotive iterations.

I expect all of this will become more reliable once they’re more established.

It’s plausible they already are. From what I’ve heard the failure rate on Tesla parts (battery, motor, etc) dropped significantly after the first revision in 2016 and again after 2021. 2013 battery was a 5% failure rate, while the 2017 battery was a 0.2% failure rate (roughly) from the 2022 data I saw.

I expect that progress continues and third our fourth generation EVs will be decidedly more reliable than ICE cars.

This is why Tesla formerly implemented idle charges and is currently implementing congestion charges for users charging beyond 90%, and congestion warnings that automatically reset cars to 80% (but can then be reset by users) at high-utilization chargers.

It’s also why outages like “2/4 plugs are broken at this location” (which is shockingly common at some brands of chargers) isn’t acceptable.

Finally, a system that detects when a charger is full and automatically directs users to another nearby charger is very helpful, especially given the scenario that sometimes there are multiple nearby chargers, but one gets more popular than others due to location.

Tesla manages all of these.

I’m not sure why Tesla is the only one who can do this right, however, it’s a bit baffling.

Ever had a Mercedes EV? Because I’ve heard the service experience with those is somewhat awful.

Parts are 6+ months in some cases and techs are unhelpful, etc.

Stuff like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/mercedes_benz/comments/10k8g9w/broken_eqs580_and_unbelievably_bad_service/

None are great.

EV parts are scarce and replacement parts are horrendously expensive.

Tesla gets shit for stuff like expensive battery replacements, but A Model Y battery costs under ONE HALF of a replacement Mach-E battery (for example). (MSRP on a Mach E battery replacement is $41k).

The EQB is a short-range car with slow charging compared to something like a Tesla or the new Kia.

Chargers for the Mercedes are half as available as they are for a Tesla Model S and the range is barely half and it charges at half the speed. Overall, you’d have had a much more pleasant experience in a Tesla.

Then you chose to charge to 100% (which means almost 1 hour charging stops, yikes).

The “cannonball run” across the US is won by a Model S, which drives down to 5% and then charges up to about 60%. Above that, it slows down a lot.

That makes for 15-20 minute charging stops.

At least you didn’t end up in a Mazda or a Chevy Bolt, they’re far worse for road trips than the Mercedes, but the Mercedes is a decidedly bad road trip EV.

California says no (allegedly).

Hybrid and EV battery warranties last at least eight years or 100,000 miles, which is longer than most manufacturer powertrain warranties.

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/hybrid-ev-battery-warranty/

This word salad has very few sensical thoughts.

The Rivian “Max Pack” to get 410 miles is a 180kwh pack. That’s a $20k upgrade over a standard car and almost triple the standard Model Y Pack. Such a big pack won’t even fit in a Model Y chassis.

People also claim wind turbines caused their cancer and/or alzheimers, etc.

I’m guessing you drive uphill on the way home?

Freeway driving does not get EPA range in EVs. It just doesn’t.

In Tesla forums everyone is calling the “Elon scam”.

It’s not a scam, it’s just physics of how EVs work and how the EPA rates the mileage.

The EPA is basically rating them based on city driving with a little bit of light 55mph freeway driving.

For most people charging at home means range doesn’t matter that much. If you’re trying to do 160 mile commute with only public charging, I’m sorry but it’s not going to be amazing.

Yeah, I don’t know how they’ll manage, but completely full superchargers are somewhat rare in my experience unless you’re in a highly urban area.

Keep in mind that Tesla is already 60%-ish of EVs in North America, so the increase from “other brands” will be lower than Tesla’s own growth during last year.

If they just keep up with the network expansion, it simply won’t matter. The only beef I have is with the cars that take up two spots to charge because of port location.

My local tire shop does free rotations.

California mandates 10 years. Some companies (Chevy, Rivian, Tesla) simply give only California-resident vehicles the extra 2 years and some companies go ahead and make it global.

But all cars (by federal mandate) have an 8 year battery warranty.

From what I understand Hyundai can also use Tesla’s network. They have a charging station section on their website that shows them on a map and there’s probably 30 within 20 miles of me and it includes Tesla stations as well.

There are a handful of “magic dock” chargers that may appear there. Those are pretty rare in most states, but they’re rolling out.

I don’t expect them to continue to roll out. CCS is a dead-end plug, so you’ll likely be fast charging almost exclusively with an adapter in the next 2-3 years.

You’ll likely need to carry two adapters, one for L1/L2 and one for L3 charging.