Increasingly looks like it was a huge miss in the self-scouting department. Seems like they viewed Williams as a key component of an expected playoff run and possibly even competing for the NFCW. Instead they’re suddenly finding themselves on the brink of being on the outside looking in.

It’s been the same story after the 2x SB appearances, day in and day out. Pretty to very good, always seemingly on the cusp of something great with the coaches constantly tinkering but ultimately not able to take things over the top.

Right. The theory of their approach is that you can perpetually keep a team in the NFL’s equivalent of the thermocline, not great not bad, while occasionally making that push into the upper echelon. But in practice there’s not been a whole lot that’s actually validated the theory. So you find yourself in this perpetual cycle of “next year will be our year!” as they tread water.

Carroll was pretty “ehhhhhhh…” when asked about Walker’s availability.

With how bad the NFC is outside of PHI, SF, and maybe DAL I could easily see multiple losing records sneak in.

We have the 5th youngest roster

Because when you look at the guys who are starting for this team they’re not that young.

It’s not a crutch bc it’s accurate.

How so? How do you simultaneously have a team that made the playoffs last year, and entered this season with playoff aspirations as the starting point with many expecting more than that, while also saying it’s a rebuild and they can’t really be held responsible for what’s happening? Underperformance =/= rebuild.

This sub has rendered the team “rebuild” completely meaningless because of how far the definition is being stretched.

Our defense has certainly been solid enough this year?

By PPG they’re 22nd in the league, DVOA has them ranked 21st. It really shouldn’t be controversial to expect this defense to be a top-10 unit, if not better, considering the resources invested in it and the emphasis they place on the defense being a strength of the team.

I wouldn’t categorize dremont Jones as a “huge” free agent signing.

Biggest FA contract they’ve ever handed out. Maybe it’s not a blockbuster Day 1 FA signing but for SEA it was certainly “huge.”

By most metrics it’s, at best, below average. And considering the resources invested in the unit they really should be one of the better units in the league.

They beat the Fighting Josh McCown’s in the playoff game.

All of these doom and gloom , knee jerk reactions to one bad loss is ridiculous.

They just went 1-3 and could be at .500 and out of the WC by Thursday night.

Reality check - the Seahawks are still in the middle of a rebuild and SF are the better team.

SF is far and away the better team but I don’t agree with the “we’re in a rebuild” crutch. Pre-season this was a team that was being discussed as having made, in theory, significant improvements across the board and was expected to take a step forward. And the Leonard Williams trade is not a move you make if you’re “rebuilding,” at least not without an extension.

Instead they’ve regressed and 2024’s roster situation, which already wasn’t looking great, is now looking even shakier as the season goes on.

We are one of the youngest teams in the league and we are getting healthier each week.

The term “snap-adjusted” seems to trigger some users around here, but the actual starters as a whole aren’t particularly young.

Yup and I’ve been pretty blunt in saying this is arguably the worst place you can find yourself: Good enough to fend off any serious calls for change/reform because, hey, they didn’t have a losing season. But you’re never bad enough to justify wholesale changes to your staff or players.

Watch a good team and the QB is throwing to an open receiver, seems to me that Geno is always having to thread a needle. The OC and OLC need to go.

Okay, sure…But that’ll now be the 3rd OC and 2nd OLC fired since 2017 if you go with a new combo in 2024. And his comments this week on Monday and Friday on 710 do not suggest in any way that he’s aloof or hands off when it comes to the OC/DCs and their gameplans.

And the “threading a needle” throws aren’t something new or unqiue to Waldron, this has been something that’s been noted almost since he arrived. I keep referencing this, but Greg Cosell back in like 2012 or 2013 said Seattle used “high school route concepts.” But to Rob’s point, you’ve never seen a Carroll offense consistently attack an opponent’s weaknesses like you see opponents attack SEA’s.

Which then perpetuates the “but pETE cArRolL geTs to thE pLaYofFs” cycle. Basically half the league gets in at this point thanks to the expanded Wild Card (a seed which has never won a game.)

He couldn’t get in bounds because it was a bad pass. Smith had all the time in the world on that play and he decided to try and throw it over a mountain.

PC’s retirement is likely to send the whole organization into a frenzy…but the next coach is going to have a hard time replacing his way of running a team.

And? If you’re firing, or rather “retiring,” your HC you should be committed to a top-to-bottom evaluation of your players, personnel, philosophy, etc. Nothing/no one should be off limits.

Saddest rave ever.

Literally the only guy who tackles properly is the rookie…

Geno: All the time in the world. Also Geno: Air mails it.

Always love when you throw a guy into the end zone to give him the TD.

Talking a lot of shit for a team that’s got more points than yards of offense.

long exhale