I think it all depends.

I remember a lot of people debating on Grow Home as an indie title because it was made by a few devs in their offtime within Ubisoft

That “miyamoto” quote is a silly handwave. I remember seeing it plastered all over twitter with every Cyberpunk delay and mutter; especially with that black and white picture of Miyamoto and the quote floating next to him.

But I’ll gladly use Newell’s quote instead.

I’ll admit I’m confused at a portion of the outrage

GaaS, always online regardless of multiplayer, battlepasses? 100% I understand the hatred and gladly join in on it

But I’m confused how people are upset that this is a third person shooter. Neither of these characters can really hold a candle to Justice League characters or a “zombie” apocalypse.

at least multiplayer is still fun

but, yikes that campaign…

I was very excited for this game until they decided instead of a co-op pve game it would be an extraction shooter.

Sucks when genuinely neat sounding ideas turn into trend chasing…