I don’t get the AOC hate. I mean I understand minor frustrations with him but I feel like a lot of people want to trash him so quick. Like let the dude cook and I think we could have a solid qb. I think with AP and Hardegree he could really fine tune and tweak his few flaws. I think he could be the real deal just get him a solid backup but I think a lot of us fans are sleeping on my boy. He’s been holding his own, especially with so much change during his rookie year. End rant. Stop the raider hate.
Keeping it 100% real here I agree with giving the kid time. As a 4th round rookie he has a very rare opportunity to showcase why he’s worthy of that time. In that span he’s had flashes of being a competent starting QB in the league and ton of rookie hiccups. From what I’ve seen the kid lacks mobility and holds on to the ball too long. He’s made some incredible throws and doesn’t stare down receivers which is a positive but he has also shown his accuracy and decision making isn’t the best. I want him to start the rest of the season but we shouldn’t continue with the assumption that he’s going to develop into a QB that can elevate us to a championship.
If the raiders had an average QB this year they’d be a surefire playoff team. That’s the issue with AOC. Adam’s is open on seemingly every single play and nobody on the team can get the ball to him consistently. He should absolutely get the remainder of the year to prove himself but he needs to look much better to prevent them from taking a QB early in the draft next year
He has 6 more games to show something hard to win if you are immobile in this league. I like AOC but he’s not a franchise guy imo.
Here’s the deal. AOC will be a starter in 2 or 3 years. That was the plan. He was supposed to be behind Jimmy G then take over after Gs contract was up. He’s been thrown into a fucked scenario and he’s doing well.
I don’t think we need to draft a QB, I think we need a vet with good production to feed the ball to our offense and make better decisions. If we continue beefing up the defense we’re contenders by next year.
The question is who do we put in to start in front of AOC. Unpopular opinion, but it looks like Dobbs is going to stay with Vikings, and Justin Fields is getting cut by the Bears. We should pick up Fields or Cousins, and go draft heavy on defense and OLine- then get some wins over the next three years and left AOC take over right behind that.
Oh and get a better OC.
>> let the dude cook
This is actually exactly what I said sometime during the game: “Stop running Jacobs into a wall! It’s not working! Just let the rookie fling it!”
No
People are just frustrated
Realistically, its not even a question. We’re not going back to Garoppolo this season, unless AOC gets injured. We’re not pulling a Browns and signing a Joe Flacco in desperation either. AOC will get to the end of the season to audition for the starting role next year. So he’ll either show steady growth, or he wont, and we dont have any decisions to make one way or the other till next spring
I think context is important when discussing AOC.
He was drafted at the end of the 4th round, and was never meant to be a franchise QB for us or any other team.
We completely shit the bed in the beginning of our season, and so they could afford to give him the rest of the season to ‘show off’ and earn his spot. AP gave him a blank check, as he does with all of his players, and told him to write his own way. If he doesn’t, that’s completely on him.
However, again since he’s a 4th rounder, he would need to light the world on fire in order to earn the starting position and he certainly hasn’t done that so far.
He has been ‘fine,’ which again is not good enough to win a spot as a 4th round QB.
I don’t mind them giving him the entire rest of the season to figure it out, but unless he is actively winning games for us, we need to take a QB with our 1st pick next year.
It’s not hate to not like a player or to criticise his performance. Maybe rather than objecting to it you could make a case to keep him. Not this coach speak ‘fine tune’ and ‘real deal’ talk. What do you think he offers as a starting QB in 2024? Like actually get into the weeds here.
We’re not moving off him this year but looking at the games he’s played so far it’s been underwhelming. He’s had two good quarters of offence and they both came against the Giants.
He is overthrowing his receivers, he is holding the ball too long and not going through his progressions quickly. He also isn’t good rolling out of the pocket.
He looked bad against the Jets and while they are a good defence their own incredibly shit offence did mean we had opportunities to wear them out (and eventually JJ broke off that big run to set up our TD play).
Today he looked lost and while I believe Miami have been a somewhat underrated defence AOC was gifted great starting field position by our defence and he didn’t do anything with it. And before you blame the play calling, once they opened the passing game up that’s when he was overthrowing balls, putting it danger and turning it over. The conservative play calling may have been to try to limit mistakes.
As for being a rookie, so? He’s 3-6 TD to INTs, that’s shit no matter when you do it. Tommy DeVito, the meme he beat, is 6-3 TD to INT and the Giants are a much worse team than we are. Tyson Bagent currently has a season completion percentage of 65.7 and 3 TD to INTs. Aidan only has a 62.1 completion percentage and he has Tae to throw to. Bagent also has a better season passer rating (71.4 vs 70.6, both bad but yikes).
So no, weren’t not sleeping on him. He looks like backup come third string guy.
He’s also 25, he’s the same age as Justin Herbert, heck he’s only a year younger than Sam Darnold and he’s two years older than Brock Purdy.
We’re not going to cut him but today was the first time he played a complete team which can compete in all 3 phases.
He’s got the Chiefs twice, the Vikings (you want a diamond in the rough, Josh Dobbs), Colts (Minshew is trying to make the case he can start somewhere next season) and the chargers and donkeys. He needs to win some (half) of these games. He needs to win 5 if we’re thinking about playoffs.
These are the test games. If he looks like he did the last two weeks? We’re trading up for a QB because we we’ve shackled to mediocrity at the position for way too long.
Jesus Christ. This dude knows fucking football.
This was said last week, although not as thorough.
Its kinda hate inasmuch as its unfair to judge him in toto right now when he’s still developing, with only a couple actual starts on his resume. Saying the mistakes he’s making now define who he’s going to be forever is simply not true.
If by the end of the season he’s still making the same mistakes and not showing any growth, then you can start to make those criticisms. But almost no one is going to immediately jump in and be an NFL QB1 right out of the box, in the scenario he was in
Aidan only has a 62.1 completion percentage and he has Tae to throw to.
Doesn’t really matter when he has no pass protection.
Neither do the other two I compared him too. Neither does Zach Wilson.
We’re going to start him for the rest of the season but we have no obligation to him going into next season.
Keep him but draft a QB to start over him
A 4th round rookie, who didn’t get to start running with the 1st string until the start of this month, working with a rookie HC and OC, using McDummy’s 20 year old Patriot playbook. As far as I’m concerned he’s doing pretty well, all things considered. The people in the building seem to trust him, so what do a bunch of people on the internet know that they don’t.
A lot of people have 0 patience, and if they’re not a day 1 killer, they consider it a waste and are ready to move on. They want AOC to play like Stroud, who’s was selected 2nd overall, and has been playing first string since the start of the season with a playbook designed to work with him, instead of trying to cram him into a scheme. It’s nonsense.
Nothing worse for a team than a QB carousel. Keep the man. There’s no guarantee Caleb Williams or Bo Nix won’t be busts. 1st round QBs are hit and miss.
He has a lot of potential as a passer. He has very little potential as an athlete. The former is more important but the latter does limit his ability to carry a team.
We’re in a flexible situation, we can draft a QB early next year, or stick with Aidan if we don’t like what falls to us. Either way, we need OL, and we need a couple of cheap replacements for Jacobs. (Don’t get me wrong, I love Jacobs, but it doesn’t make sense for us to pay a RB $12M, and our current backups are not running back by committee caliber.)
I think they should give Jimmy another shot with the new coach. I don’t even want this team to draft a QB. They always ruin their God damn drafts.
Nobody is hating O’Connell. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to upgrade the QB position. If a QB comes up during the draft, especially if he’s the best player available, pull the trigger and let them compete. Example: the chiefs had Alex Smith and were a playoff team with him. Mahomes became available, and Mahomes sat and learned his rookie year. I do feel we do need a QB with mobility.
Keep him on the bench.
There are 7 year vets who are making the same mistakes. How long has Jared Goff been in the league? Im pretty sure he threw 3 picks yesterday and he’s had WAY more time playing vs that opponent and has been in that same system. Ive seen enough people smarter than me about football say that what they’re seeing in AOC is elite. He’s just gonna make rookie mistakes like everyone.
Imagine in your 3rd start (not counting the JMD game) they tell you that you have to throw the ball at Jalen Ramsey in his house across the country. THATS TOUGH