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    10 months ago

    I hope this is his swan song. Patrick Stewart is amazing, and I love Captain Picard, but he’s not Harrison Ford. The franchise will be fine without him. We don’t need to play out Too Short a Season in real life

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      10 months ago

      Three seasons of PIC were already a mistake. The only good thing coming from it is the possibility of a Riker cooking/baking show (which I would totally watch).

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        The sitcom The Rikers as pitched by Sirtis and Frakes would have been better that the three seasons of Picard, frankly.

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        2 seasons were a mistake and by far the worst trek seasons from any show, the third season while being massive fan service was just what I seemingly wanted as I loved every second and was a great ending to the TNG crew

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          I just watch the third season and pretend all of the random references to the early seasons happened in a more logical way.

          I knew somebody who was running a “what could have been” Star Trek TTRPG campaign based around episodes of Voyager that could have been executed better, I think I would love to run a campaign that had plot elements from Picard’s first two seasons as a personal headcanon.

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      10 months ago

      I think the difference between Stewart and Ford is that Stewart seems more to be doing it because he enjoys this character. Ford seems to be doing it in spite of his feelings.

      As long as Stewart is still having fun, I’m happy with him continuing as long as he wants.

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    10 months ago

    No. Please, no.

    The Picard show was already dreadfully bad and has effectively destroyed TNG and Q for me, please let the dead body rest on piece, no more.

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        It’s dreadful. Just gathering up the old cast for nostalgia sake. Quite an anticlimactic resolution to the enemy fight too.

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          That’s fair. I enjoyed it, but I can see why you wouldn’t. Hopefully we can agree at least 3 was better than 1 & 2.

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            In my opinion the first Picard season is the best. It actually tries something different; a new crew and ship and rules.

            Season 2 is in that patronizing and lecturing tone that feels extra misplaced for anyone outside the United States.

            Season 3 is complete creative sellout and I hate it. It was sort of nice to see them all again, but that’s pretty much it. Nostalgia bait everywhere, with a weird hamfisted plot. Barely a single original idea in that series, just a theme park ride to check all the boxes… look at the old crew on the bridge! Even data is back after we just let him die in season 1! Look at the E N T E R P R I S E, and we are fighting the borg PLUS the changelings!

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        Season 3 worked because of the ensemble cast, though. The first two where it was “Picard and Friends” felt weird, and not like what anyone really wanted, and if this is another “Just Picard” thing it’s likely to end up the same.

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          I agree. Picard Season 3 felt like it should have been the final TNG movie, but I’m actually glad it was episodic since it gave better pacing for gathering the cast together.

          It was a lot of fam service, but in a good way imo

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      Oh man, I’d repressed the memory that Q was in s2 of Picard! I kind of liked the first season but the follow-ups were nostalgia dumpster fires. Literally what Sir PatStew said he didn’t want to make going into the show.

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      I think it might be self-inflicted. Patrick Stewart is big enough that he can make it so with regard to the scripts. He’s the one that insisted there be a dune buggy chase scene in Nemesis, for example. And he’s pushed for more action and romance in the movies. I suspect that this is another case of a good actor or writer who works best when tempered by outside control.

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        I don’t know that insistence is the right way to phrase it. Sir Patrick and Brent Spiner are good friends, IIRC Nemesis was written by Spiner’s old flatmate and best friend. As such the wants of the actors started creeping into the scripts, not out of insistence per se, but perhaps more out a natural affect of a close working relationship. Sometimes a healthy distance is most important between a writer’s room, and the cast.

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    I gave up watching Picard at the end of Season 1 after

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    they kill Picard and replace him with an android.

    If it’s not actually Jean-Luc, I’m not interested. And I’m definitely not interested in returning to Picard’s universe with all of those boring ass characters if it means that they’ll do another time-travel plotline to save his life. Yawn.

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      Season 1 and 2 sucked ass, but season 3 is actually pretty great and you can watch it as a stand alone without really needing to watch the previous 2 seasons.

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        Season 1 was such absolute dog shit. The orbital defense flowers, “JL” etc… but yeah, S3 feels like Kurtzman got kicked in the sack and someone else made Picard. I recommend watching S3 and forgetting the other two were ever made.

        Also in S1 Jean Luc Picard picked a bar fight. The person that had his dick dragged through a mile of broken glass getting killed by a Nossican over and over in a bar fight, went to pick a bar fight. What was that show?

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    Will skip this if it gets made. All good things for Picard really came to an end after that episode.

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    I heard only last night about a script that is being written, but written specifically with the actor, Patrick [Stewart], to play in it. And I’ve been told to expect to receive it within a week or so.

    Notably, that week was several weeks ago:

    TrekMovie has confirmed with Josh Horowitz that this interview was recorded in early November as Stewart was out promoting his new memoir, Making It So.

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    S03 was the movie we never got, they just need to leave this one alone. It’s most likely being talked about because Picard S03 got the best ratings of all the new Trek shows. But it was already quite a perfect ending. We don’t need another Picard movie, Trek needs to continue on the small screen with #StarTrekLegacy.

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    He’ll die before it happens. Don’t think people realise quite how old the guy is. I love him to bits but it’s like David Attenborough, just let the man rest, he’s given us enough.

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    Please just fucking retire TNG already. It’s time to move on. Give us that Seven show with a gay captain. I’d watch the hell out of that.

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    If this thread is anything to go by, me and my other half were the only people on the planet that actually enjoyed Picard S1 and 2, and didn’t like S3 as much.

    In that spirit, if a film is made I look forward to enjoying it even if I’m the only one.

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      I enjoyed all 3 seasons of Picard. I’ll likely enjoy this movie. It’s always a joy to see Patrick Stewart in a dramatic role.

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        Well, I’m glad it wasn’t just me, lol … I figured some people must have enjoyed it otherwise they’d have left it at one season!

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      @7of9 @USSBurritoTruck

      I’ll raise my hand and say that I actually enjoyed all three seasons. I felt like 1 and 2 had a sense of melancholy at times, but that was welcome. Kind of felt right at that time in my life.
      3 I really liked for the interpersonal relationships, and that sense of wonder in space.

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        Well, 1 and 2 both dealt with deep themes of grief and generational trauma … I appreciated that they tried to write a story with a deep meaning to it, even if it didn’t 100% work it was better than a lot of the recent things I’ve watched

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          @7of9

          Yes, I found it resonated with me.

          I was a kid when I first watched TNG reruns, and things seemed safe and optimistic to me. It was also the nature of television to almost reset characters from episode to episode, no matter how difficult or traumatic the previous episode was. (An exception would be the episode where Picard mends fences with his brother and begins facing the trauma of having been assimilated.)

          And I think that was good tv in its own right.

          1/2

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            @7of9

            But Season 1 Picard took a different approach, and showed Picard dealing with past disillusionment (the loss of his career which was his purpose, et .) in a more long term manner. It wasn’t just gone. And to me, it made sense in the context of my own life. As I aged, I didn’t recover from past hurts quite as quickly either. But we work through it and grow, at any age, and I think that’s what Picard as a character did as well.

            2/more

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              @7of9

              He’s a different person at that age, definitely more careful, and he’s aware that he doesn’t have all his former health, abilities or status - and that’s ok! He saves people, reconnects (and makes up) with old friends, and has a long-term relationship (maybe?). He’s doing pretty well!

              Plus, he reminded Starfleet and the Federation a little of ideals.

              All that, I found very hopeful and more effective as if neither Starfleet nor Picard had ever met failure.

              Lol, sorry that was long!

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                Don’t be sorry for your reply being long, it was clearly well thought out and considered. I agree on all the points you’ve made … perhaps the majority of people here didn’t like Picard 1 & 2 because it wasn’t repeating the type of story telling that Star Trek has typically given, but was a whole new thing. People, generally, don’t like change and I think in the current world there’s comfort to be had in the “monster of the week” style 90s shows.

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                  @7of9

                  Thank you.

                  Yes, I think so, too. Familiarity is comforting, and I also feel that episodic storytelling is comforting, because it’s reminiscent of my childhood, and because it introduces new, interesting concepts but sticks with a familiar structure. I just get value out of the other type of stories as well.

                  I am curious what they’ll do for a Picard movie - or a show of Seven and crew.

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      I liked all 3, 3 being hit or miss but overall enjoyable for me. Season 2 had a lot of fun parts

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        The thing I liked with 1 and 2 was that they both tried to tackle big ideas of past trauma, even if it didn’t come out well the big thinking was in there while a lot of recent things I’ve watched has felt skin deep at best

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    i will always love a new picard movie since i have memories of watching tng with my dad and i loved picard but i still want them to make star trek legacy

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    I’m OK with this, people shit on Star Trek Picard but I still thought it was alright despite the departure from more traditional Trek.

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      I watched the first season and liked it. The fan service didn’t feel so bad (I enjoyed it!). Season twos portrayal by half way through of an old enemy felt too casual to me and I tapped out. Is season 3 worth a whirl of two stopped me?

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        Season 3 is literally just fan service. They reused the V’Ger sound/theme for the enemy. They brought back a character from another show in the franchise. They brought back a character who appeared in two whole episodes of TNG. Large parts of the sound design were lifted from the TNG-era series. Seriously, almost as much fan service as Lower Decks.

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          Honestly with the train wreck that was Seasons 1 and 2, going full fan service was about the only path forward for the last season. I liked Season 3, but it certainly was NOT original.

          As for Lower Decks…brah…how is Lower Decks fan service? There are references and stuff, but its got its own vibe now going on.

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            To be fair, I haven’t watched the latest season of LD, but up to that point, it really was “get this reference? See? Giant Spock’s skeleton! Remember this energy being that escaped the Enterprise-D?” However, I went into LD knowing that that was what I was going to be getting, and while I won’t say it’s my favorite nu-Trek series, I do really enjoy it.

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              It definitely has some inside jokery going on and references to other shows, but I’d argue it’s more organically done than just calling it “fan service”. It’s also a comedy SciFi, so I feel like it has more leeway than I’d give most shows, though.

              The show has progressively become it’s own thing as each season progresses, though.

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                Oh I in no way meant it as an insult. I love that about LD. I did not love that about PIC.

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              The reason I think Lower Decks does a fine job with its “fan service” is that none of those “get this reference? See?” moments matter. They’re just stuff that’s going on in the background, where an ordinary non-Lower-Decks Star Trek show would simply put a bunch of random meaningless gizmos or whatever to fill out the scene. The story that’s being told in the foreground works perfectly well if you don’t “get” any of the references. Often the story is enhanced by those references, but if you watch Lower Decks without any knowledge of the previous shows (aside presumably from a general gist of how shows like Star Trek work) you can still enjoy it.

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          Season 3 wasn’t amazing, but it certainly wasn’t as awful as Seasons 1 and 2. The scene with the D reveal and the fighting inside the cube was pretty dope, but I’ll admit it was full fan service start to end.

          Seasons 1 and 2 of Picard left me going “WTF how did this story make it out of the writer’s room with approval?” With some editing and reworking it COULD have been good…but it wasn’t.

          And don’t get me started on Discovery. That show has been a Trainwreck forever.

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        The third season isn’t as good as 1 but its clear and away better than 2 by a huge margin and has some extremely fantastic emotional payoffs.

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    I think this is great and anything I can see Patrick Stewart in, I will. I don’t share the opinion that Picard series was bad. I don’t see Picard as a one-dimensional must always be the same character. People change over time. And Picard has also changed. Like it or not.

    Bring on the movie!