Not to say that he isn’t a great playmaker, but just because he averages 10 assists and makes some unnecessarily fancy passes from time to time does not at all justify him as having one of the highest offensive peaks ever.

10apg is good but nothing crazy especially when he’s the primary playmaker of the team to begin with. There are plenty of PGs in the league who can do that.

He also averaged 4 turnovers per game last season which is pretty sloppy but everyone seems to ignore this.

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    11 months ago

    just because he averages 10 assists and makes some unnecessarily fancy passes from time to time does not at all justify him as having one of the highest offensive peaks ever.

    Correct! His unheard of efficiency, impact metrics, and the eye test that aligns with the insane stats are what justify it.

    10apg is good but nothing crazy especially when he’s the primary playmaker of the team to begin with. There are plenty of PGs in the league who can do that.

    10apg is great actually and not many PG’s actually get close to that number. When you say “plenty” that number last year was 3: Harden, Young, and Jokic.

    Also, what makes Jokic different is that he’s also a big man and what he is doing is something we haven’t seen before from a center.

    He also averaged 4 turnovers per game last season which is pretty sloppy but everyone seems to ignore this.

    You know who else averaged 4 turnovers per game and with a lot less assists? Giannis.

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      11 months ago

      Haliburton also averaged over 10 assists.

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    11 months ago

    Is Michael Jordan’s scoring ability overrated?

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    Ik this is bait, but I wanna address the only real concern in the post: turnovers. Just from the statsheet, he had 9.8 assists to 3.6 turnovers, or a 2.72assist:turnover ratio. On its face, this is a decent, not great ratio. The detail missing from this compared to pure point guards is post-ups.

    Pure PGs initiate an offense with PnR or other similar plays from the 3pt area. From this play, turnovers are usually related to uncalled fouls, good defense, loss of control, or a bad pass. Outside some uncalled on-ball fouls during a PG’s attack, these are legitimate turnovers.

    The difference for Jokic is that at least once a game, he’s getting a “turnover” on a post-up where the defender(s) are just slapping the shit out of him and grabbing his arms or reaching it. This is far from an exclusive problem for Jokic; every post-up player in the league has an amount of turnovers from pressure on the post-up.

    The point being for Jokic though is the refs simply cannot call every foul. Especially when it comes to a huge, 7ft, elite player like Jokic, they let the defenders have some leniency with scratches and holds. This is most evident in post-ups.

    Jokic is to blame for some of his turnovers here, too, as he sometimes tries to sell contact instead of focusing on maintaining the ball. He essentially turns it over to try to sell the contact that IS happening. If it works, great, but when it doesn’t, he turns it over AND often complains to the ref instead of getting back.

    That’s on him for playing that way. But the league definitely encourages it by they way the games are called.

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      Also a lot of Jokic turnovers come from him trying to make a tight pass to a guy who is in the paint. If it works amazingly that’s an easy layup the best shot in the game. If not that’s a turnover. But I much rather have a guy turn the ball over looking for layups than kicking it out to three and getting picked off that way.

      It is why someone like CP3 has been such a assist to turnover king because he doesn’t always look for those high leverage passes.

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    11 months ago

    I know a lot of people had a problem with Michael Malone blasting off about how the nuggets are overlooked and people don’t even really stop and think about how Jokic is doing literally brain breaking stuff like it’s no biggie— but clown takes like this by the media and the casual viewership and nephews like this definitely proves his point.

    And I always agreed with MM that depsite the Nuggets regular season achievements, they were absolutely overlooked and continue to be.

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    11 months ago

    Needs to be a nba sub with an age requirement and ID verification

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    11 months ago

    There are plenty of PGs in the league who can [average 10 apg]

    No there aren’t. Especially not while averaging a hyper-efficient 25 ppg.

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      11 months ago

      even if he was right, he’s comparing them to a Center…that helps Jokic.

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    11 months ago

    If you were aiming for Reddit unity your mission was a successful one. I suggest your next post could be something in the lines of ‘Is Steph Curry’s shooting overrated? Many players shot 42% from 3’