I didn’t sign for a weird thing.
I was going to go on a first date when the guy asked me to sign an NDA. He was attempting to be a content creator on YouTube, tiktok, etc., and thought he needed to start “protecting his reputation”. I declined the date.
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I didn’t even read the whole thing, TBH. It’s been a while, I’ll have to see if I still have access via the link he sent me. That’s even more blatantly sleezy than I was thinking. If he actually managed to build any sort of following, they might be interested to see what he attempts to put in his NDAs.
Gross. Well today is a “losing hope in humanity” kind of day.
Gross. Well today is a “losing hope in humanity” kind of day.
Doesn’t seem like an abnormal thing lately.
NDA now stands for “No Date, Asshole.”
I am impressed by your resilience that you didn’t immediately swoon over his intelligence, diligence, and confidence, which is what I would strongly presume was his actual expectation.
Don’t forget his charisma. He probably has a few hundred views by now.
Thank you, good sir, for openly advertising the most obvious red flag ever.
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I couldn’t say.
I wasn’t allowed to tell anyone that my flatmate isn’t allowed to work for another company in their industry for twelve months after they leave their current job.
The company is owned by a foreign national and their hiring documents were full of weird, improper regulations, including any residents of the house not revealing any of the NDA that my flatmate signed, so while I didn’t sign anything, I was technically(impractically and I can’t imagine legally) forbidden, according to a clownish NDA, from discussing all sorts of things.
You didn’t sign shit and contracts, at least in North America, require mutual consideration to be at all enforceable.
You received nothing, you owe nothing.
LOL I would have definitely tested that one.
I used to work for a startup that laid claim to all “ideas” that I had, in or out of working hours, during my period of employment with them.
That’s relatively common… if the company isn’t full of dick bags you can usually get specific carve-outs. Nobody gives a shit about the game you’re programming on the side - they’re just unfamiliar with corporate espionage laws and being overly defensive.
At EOD any real lawsuit is going to pretty much ignore any NDA that isn’t hyperspecific. I mentioned in another comment that I signed an NDA preventing me from disclosing the contents and parties in another NDA… that’s highly fucking enforceable, and it’s necessary because normally surface level information about contracts aren’t considered secret knowledge. But all the ones we programmers sign are nearly completely horseshit - not because you can freely violate it, but because disclosing proprietary business practices is already illegal unless explicitly allowed.
My current job tried to get me to sign one that would prohibit me both from discussing the content of the NDA, and had a noncompete rider that was extremely aggressive.
I told them I wouldn’t sign it, and it was unenforceable in this state anyway, so they might as well drop it. They did, but the whole thing made me super leery of working here. Corporate bullshit all the way down.
“You can’t discuss this contract with a lawyer” GTFO lol
You can always always discuss any contract with a lawyer. It is incredibly illegal to try and bar someone from seeking a professional opinion on a contract. If any company tries this then immediately reach out to a labor attorney.
In Illinois, where I am, NDAs aren’t enforceable unless they’re provided at least two weeks before the start of employment, so they can be reviewed by legal counsel. They have this one a week after I started, one of many ways it was unenforceable.
An NDA can’t ever block discussing itself - I know because I had to sign an NDA in perpetuity covering who the other signatory was on a different NDA also in perpetuity. Everything subject to that inner NDA is now completely irrelevant, but the companies involved still definitely exist and are just as litigious as ever.
I later went on to design some computer processing systems and storage systems related to US Healthcare tracking which is mostly not covered by an NDA, though the work is proprietary and not shareable, and it’s much more worthy of the crazy NDA I signed in my twenties. NDAs are much more about who and less about what - if you’re working restocking vending machines with Suisse Credit, you’ll probably need to sign an NDA… but a more modest company doing legitimately secret stuff usually doesn’t care.
Not really my own NDA, but kind of remarkable on its own. I discovered a number of people I know have been living according to witness protection. Apparently witness protection has recurring favored locations and the area is like Bellwood for Witsec. Funniest part is they all know each other and themselves have no idea half the time. It feels like that one joke with that one zoo that gets people in animal costumes to live as animals only to find out the whole zoo are animals.
Juice recipes.
I worked on a website for some folks that make juice. They… I guess they think they have something special? They don’t… I’ve looked through it all. Nothing you can’t find online. Same shit every college town juicer selling celery this and tumeric that and activated charcoal whatever.
But, I suppose I could use this info to start an analog of their business. I mean, I don’t want to, at all. But I could. 🤷♂️
…. I obviously can’t talk about it.
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I found my completed but unsubmitted NDA form from my last job under a stack of papers after I left. HR just forgot to ask me for it and I forgot it existed
Nice try, Portsmith Naval Shipyard. I’m not falling for that again.
Nice try, corporate lawyer
Nice try company I signed an NDA with. Not happenin’ bro.
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Nice try.
Place I used to work had a “we own all the IP you generate” clause, except it wasn’t very clearly written so could easily be read to mean literally all IP - write a song on the weekend, they own that. Got the wording tweaked in my contract to make it explicitly only cover things done in connection to my role, on company time, but I do wonder about my former colleagues. At least one of them has a mildly successful YouTube channel that I guess the company technically owns?
Won’t stand up in court. You can’t just put anything into a contract and expect it to stand up. You can’t bind yourself into slavery (which that is kind of close to) or break the law, or force all sorts of conditions on the other party.
I don’t know that it’s that clear cut - trying to enforce a provision like that would almost certainly be seen as unreasonable, but unless there is some specific law forbidding it in your jurisdiction you’d probably need to ask a court if it conflicts with broader employment law rules to the level that a court would nullify it. Getting an answer to that question is likely to be very expensive, even if you are right.
It’s definitely a risky strategy to just say “try me”, I guess it depends what it’s all over. I doubt that lawyers would even want to pursue it, after maybe a few letters.
