I spend atleast an hour each week trying to convince my mom UFOs are almost always light reflecting off shit. It’s been 20 years. When people believe in the mystery more than the reality it’s hard to change their minds.
Today was “But your uncle saw 3 lights in a triangle pattern over the golf course and they just disappeared!” … The golf course just off to the side of the flight path of a major international airport. Said golf course is on a hill with a river at the bottom. It was a plane landing or taking off ffs.
UFO believers in 2026 are somewhat hilarious to me. You mean to tell me we have thousands of ultra high resolution satellites around the globe, every airspace is fully mapped for security reasons, we are actively working on astronomy for the entire observable universe, measuring gravitational waves from things millions of lightyears away, and you think we’d miss some alien airplanes hovering in our clouds?
Just don’t go, if it’s that bad. Make an excuse, do something else, even if it’s alone. Might be better for all concerned.
I don’t visit the rightwingers of my family and the leftwingers of my family don’t really intermix with them so I’m spared even having to talk to them.
Actually, there is one “both sides bad” centrist that I get along great with, my brother. I think his politics are very dumb but he is genuinely a well intentioned person. I feel like a hypocrite for tolerating him though considering my lack of patience for anyone else with similar politics.
I suppose maybe I’ll really see once he finds out I’m trans. Don’t know if I’m coming out this Thanksgiving though. It wont be obvious by then so I likely will fall under the radar.
Mine are too delusional for it to matter. They’ll just talk amongst themselves about how it was rigged and how the country is doomed.
And I’ll just hide away in my room because I’m not interacting with that.
Once you get older this stuff becomes really stupid. You realize that time wasted is a great loss to you.
There comes a point where you have to be able to stand your ground in silence. You have to realize you cannot change others. You must accept who you are and once that happens, these arguments and the frustration that comes with hearing odd opinions disappear.
If it bothers you, it’s because you want others to believe what you believe and why is that? For right or wrong, do you really believe a world can come to fruition where we only have bliss, peace, and love?
How do you even measure those things once the balancing act of right and wrong no longer exists?
I’m no contact with my conservative relatives. My family is shattered over politics and will never have a large family gathering ever again.
My family is shattered over many things, hatred, queerphobia, racism, misogyny, lust for violence, supporting pedophilia, supporting genocide. The magats can frame it as “politics”, but I’ll call it out for what it is.
I would never disown a family member over politics.
Jokes on you! I cut everyone off and went full NC! 🫶🏻✌🏼
I welcome anyone to come to the good side and encourage the healthy policies that work and people want them when asked about them.
My uncle already had a nervous breakdown talking to me while collecting my rent.
Oh well.
Going to buy a bottle of Blue Curacao, and learn some delicious blue cocktails.
Offer a Blue Wave to all my Uncles :)
malicious. delicious.
I love it.
One that sounds amazing to me is Electric Iced Tea. It’s basically a long island, but replacing triple sec with the blue Curacao and cola with sprite or something.
ooo i wasn’t planning on drinking tonight. that sounds good
That’s a great suggestion, I’ve made them before. Friggen delicious, and great at their job!
I thought they are too sweet, but they do look really cool. Put in less sprite or swap for a spicy ginger ale.
Get some malibu, white rum and pineapple juice. It’s called a blue Hawaiian.
That’s a good start, but it would be even better to think of some ‘woke’ themed twist on it that makes it into a Blue Wave. I’m drawing a blank on what that twist would be, but I’m sure someone who’s better at cocktails and/or wordplay than me could think of something really good. My first thought was replacing white rum with a diverse mix of rum tones, but that would kind mess up the blue colour.
Make it vegan? Serve with vegan cocktail sausages?
In the uk - GBeebies - the British equivalent of fox News said that the Negroni was a woke drink. In the US
In the US you’ve got the pride bud light controversy
make it a blue sour, shake it with an egg white, then get enough different nerds that you cover the whole rainbow and garnish the egg white foam with a sprinkle of them
Ooh that sounds like it slaps
Oh, also, if you want to really go hard with this, blue curacao, orange vodka (or rum, or liqueur), white creme de cacao, with heavy whipping cream.
Mix the blue curacao 2/3 to 1/3 with the orange liquor of your choice. Preferably shaken with ice. Fill a shot glass 2/3, or a tumbler 3/4. Now take the creme de cacao and mix it with the heavy cream separately. Then carefully pour that in the glass over the back of a spoon. It’ll taste like a dreamsicle but look like cum in a glass of mouthwash.
look like cum in a glass of mouthwash.
Always good to bring a bit of your daily routine with you on holidays to lessen cultural whiplash.
My dentist always asks how my teeth are so perfect. I tell him I use mouthwash 5-6 times a day, but I don’t tell him why.
The username checks out
Interesting username considering where the comment landed lol
Gotta wash your mouth out after gargling that. Nana won’t kiss her good boy with THAT taste on his lips.
Oh hell yea, I’m definitely making these this weekend, that sounds so tasty
Thanks for the recipe!
No problem! I hope they work out well for ya!
Oh it’s so good! They’ll be mad but asking for more.
Take them to a party in the Blue Oyster bar.
Who the fuck still does holidays with their MAGA relatives?
Well…
I get what you’re saying, I really doi also thinknits a really bad idea.
I’ve been seeing people banishing “the cazies” for like 3 decades now from Internet fora and I’ve been saying from the start that this will only breed bigger and bladder crazies. When with “us”, we can ground them and avoid them going full retard. When we banish them, they will join together in some other place where they can make the rules themselves, breeding much worse crazies. The same goes IRL.
I’ve been seeing exactly this I’ve rthe past decades, crazies joining together and becoming a much bigger,such worse problem to handle.
Again, ibget your point but I’d rather have a crazy on a figurative leash where they can be controlled and stopped from iharming themselves or others, than crazies running wild
this will breed bigger and bladder crazies
Bladder crazies? Everything’s going to smell like piss.
I don’t disagree with your point overall, but there do seem to be plenty of kids that grow up despising their conservative parents’ positions on politics. The question of whether they even want to spend time with their conservative family even implies this.
It’s also possible that they will be the last person they’d listen to, since conservative families can have a lot of contempt for each other and care more about the hierarchy than who is right.
But that said, I fully agree that just cutting off people for being awful ends to driving them into the arms of other awful people. And if there’s a lot of it, it can do things like get Trump elected because they are tired of being treated like the bad guys but get galvanized instead of discouraged.
It’s also the goal of the divide and conquer strategy the ruling class is using to make us easier to manage.
The many people that can’t afford living out of their parents’ basement
Can’t afford moving out of it?
Yeah, outside of their parents’ basement
To “live out of” can mean to live in, that’s what confused them
That is a much more difficult situation…
That’s the weird thing. There’s millions of people who would never hurt anybody up close and personal, but happy to keep hurting people far away by their choices. The same disconnect often applies to the negative consequences that hit them.
In those cases, if they’re family, and you’re used to seeing them, you can find yourself having superficially friendly interactions, they will be genuinely happy to see you, etc… And they will vote for death camps without a single pang of conscience because it seems like the normal thing they’ve always done.
I don’t think they’re the majority, but they’re certainly numerous enough to be the primary enablers of a fascist takeover.
The ‘white moderate’
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
—Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
Yep… and the only way we de-normalize it is to quit passively allowing it.
Most healthy members of society dude 😭
Yes, healthy members of society spend time with their pedophile supporting extending family. Right.
I am not weak enough to give up on someone. Every meeting is a chance to educate them
Holding people accountable for their horrible views isn’t weak. What a weird take.
Every meeting is a chance to educate them.
As long as you use that opportunity to try to educate them, instead of inviting them over without holding them accountable.
Right? When my extended family gets together there are like 40 of us. I might try to avoid the ones that are MAGA, or at least avoid talking politics with them, but I’m not gonna refuse to go to Christmas or Thanksgiving just because my chuddy uncle is going to be there. I’ll just take a walk with the other queer cousins and get a little toasted before dinner
I might try to avoid the ones that are MAGA, or at least avoid talking politics with them
I would, were I you, use that time to hold them accountable for their politics of hate. I see that as the morally correct action.
I’m not gonna refuse to go to Christmas or Thanksgiving just because my chuddy uncle is going to be there.
Nor would I, in most cases. Were the celebration with mostly MAGA family, I would consider not attending.
Must be nice for only some of them to be MAGA.
When they’re all MAGA, though, sometimes it’s best to just not go.
I’ll just take a walk with the other queer cousins and get a little toasted before dinner
Aww the cousin walk <3
My family extended to just 1st cousins is more than 80 people. Every single last one full maga Christo-fascists. Not worth being around.
Do you do the same thing with the ones that are child molesters? What you’re describing is identical to why most child molesters are family members and the molestation is actually known about.
Of course not? What kind of question is that? Being a child molester and being a conservative are two wildly different things
One fucks children the other just supports people that fuck children.
Correct, one molests children and the other protects child molestors. Only sometimes are they one and the same.
Edit: Imagine downvoting this, you people are excrutiatingly forgiving of the people who would just as easily see you in chains.
What you describe about making nice with them even though they are arguably awful people is absolutely no different. Fucking hold them accountable. Tell them get their racist fucking asses out of your home. Tell them to fuck off and die mad. Quit enabling them. Your “logic” is exactly why most child molesters are family members and family friends.
Look, I’m no fan of conservatives, but you have to recognize that someone molesting children is very very different from someone holding conservative politics.
Do you really expect me to go through life shouting at and refusing to speak with anyone with politics to the right of mine? Life is full of compromises and picking your battles. I would absolutely refuse to be in the same room with a pedophile relative, because that’s a big deal worth fighting over. My aunt who thinks ivermectin works? Not worth the trouble.
Most people, even repeat Trump voters, are pretty tuned out of politics. So I don’t feel like it’s my solemn duty to grill everyone over their voting patterns, assume their vote defines them as a person, and only associate with the purest of heart.
but you have to recognize that someone molesting children is very very different from someone holding conservative politics.
I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about you needing to hold them accountable. In that, there is zero difference.
Do you really expect me to go through life shouting at and refusing to speak with anyone with politics to the right of mine?
I expect you to hold people accountable; especially family members. That actually starts with speaking with them and not avoiding the politics because that makes you both feel uncomfortable. However, when they decide that they are racist then, yeah, tell them to grow up or fuck off and die. Quit enabling them.
Most people, even repeat Trump voters, are pretty tuned out of politics.
Then tune them the fuck in. Quit letting the skate by playing nice with them at holiday dinners. Fuck holiday dinners; holding them accountable is far more important.
Well now that you mention it there was that one great Uncle. Never knew the full details, but yeah kinda the same deal. Just came with the extended family.
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Yeah, super healthy to go hang out with people who want people like you bashished from society because of who you want to love 🙄
Not conservative, not “republican”: MAGA.
My MAGA relatives are some of the worst human beings I’ve met. Hateful, loud, dumb bigots that seem unable to act like a decent human being for more than a few minutes at a time. I’ve heard the shit they’ve let slip out and they meant (and mean) every word.
They’re not welcome in my home and I am sure as shit am not wasting my time on them.
Conservative, republican, and MAGA are interchangeable. You don’t get to claim to be one without the others. They’re all the same at this point.
American conservatism and American republicanism are interchangeable with MAGA.
Being a “republican” means different things based on context. The American Republican party is interchangeable with MAGA. The same is generally true of conservatism, although modern conservatism is always a harmful ideology.
There are degrees of shitbaggery. There are people that can be redeemed without too much pain.
Nobody is an angel: everyone has harmful views and does bad things – it’s just a question quantity and quality. As much as it sucks the reality is if we set the bar too high we’re going to spend life alone … and risk being a hypocrite as well.
So we tolerate peoples failings as we hope they tolerate ours. We grow and redeem ourselves by learning of our flaws and blind spots from other people.
That being said there’s a line where its not worth it. Everyone has to decide where that is for themselves.
I can’t believe so many people think it’s just fine to engage with people that think I shouldn’t exist, or that them holding those views is no big deal.
How “healthy” it is to attend holiday gatherings with your family depends entirely on your family’s chud ratio.
Our families invite process is fairly simple. If you can’t last family time during holiday without talking politics, you aren’t invited. I think that’s a fairly healthy ask. I think only one person was excluded from family planning/gathering due to it, but thankfully the feeling was mutual because they couldn’t isolate their political side from their actual personality and as such didn’t want to be in an environment where they couldn’t talk politics anyway.
So your approach is just not talking about the problems? Very healthy. /s
The “see no evil, speak no evil” crowd aren’t much help to the downtrodden. /li
Ah… “don’t ask; don’t tell”. Everything is fine even if Uncle Steve is diddling your daughter (or son) while everyone else is watching football after the family feast.
Different scenario so therefore different rules. It may surprise some people on Lemmy but, not everyone that has a different political orientation is molesting children or some other extremity. Shocker I know.
There’s a time and a place for politics for either side. Family time isn’t one. We don’t want to be associated with people who can’t respect that. Regardless of political orientation.
Not everyone that has a different political orientation is molesting children or some other extremity.
True.
Family time isn’t a time and place for politics for either side.
I believe people have a responsibility to hold family accountable. Politics rest on ethics, and supporters of the modern-day US Republican party have chosen hate over morality. A family gathering is an ideal time to hold family accountable. Naturally, exceptions should be made for events such as funerals and wakes.
I understand your opinion, and I do agree it’s the family’s responsibility to hold people accountable. However, there is a time and a place for everything.
I firmly disagree that family bonding time during holiday is the time for it. And that feeling is mostly shared throughout my immediate family.
I personally wouldn’t attend family gatherings that were containing political talks, to be honest, It spits in the face of the entire point of family bonding time to try to be pushing a political sway and goes against the entire point of meeting for holiday which is family time bonding and having fun.
those type of subjects generally cause more tension or isolation than bonding. So are better off as a more one-on-one than an entire family thing. A one-on-one also allows it to feel more organic. Someone is going to be way less receptive to any reasoning if they’re being put on the spot during a family dinner than if you were to just approach them during casual free time. Results caused by peer pressure rarely work out in the long run, in order to discuss opposing views, you need to keep the person you’re talking to open for discussion.
Personally, I feel isolating out the family members who can’t separate their political identity from their person is more than adequate for keeping family time as a bonding time instead of an infomercial/trying to pursuade people on differing opinions while getting the point across quite nicley.
Did I say slightly right or are you moving the goal posts? Yeah, you’re moving the goal posts. Be accountable. Hold others accountable - especially family.
Chill, you’re getting aggressive. I see you discussing in other areas, but please chill.
Acknowledged and apologies…
you initiated the reply with a goalpost move what did you expect it to be ignored? Either way I think you are trolling me so I’m disengaging.
For context on their claim(which I had edited prior to their comment as it didn’t really matter to the post): My original reply stated that just because someone is slightly right doesn’t mean they molest kids. It had no place in the comment as it doesn’t matter the reason: Politics have zero place at family time.
you initiated the reply with a goalpost move
I did no such thing. I said hold your fucking family accountable. Not doing so just because it “ruins thanksgiving dinner” is a piss-poor excuse. It’s this playing nice with family members that allows them to continue comfortably being racists and/or pedophiles. Quit enabling them.
Politics have zero place at family time.
This is the most important time. When the fuck else are you going to do it? Jesus fucking christ, hold your family accountable for not being awful people. If you fail to do that then you, too, are an awful person. Maybe you didn’t know that before, but now you do and you have no further excuse.
That’s not healthy. That’s enabling.
After Election Day 2024 I completely cut my republican father out of my life. He never was maga, but he was celebrating trimp’s win (ironically by listening to a Woodie Guthrie cd I got him). I did not speak to him for almost a year and a half, then in April I found out he was going to group therapy. I am unsure of the exact nature of the GT but one of his friend’s that is in the GT said it is to redeem them.
We still do not have the close relationship that we used to have, and I doubt we ever will again.
The crazy thing is he used to be a long haired hippie fighting for freedoms and
protectingprotesting the Vietnam war.protecting the Vietnam war
Protesting?
Yup! Hah
It sucks when that has to happen, but good on you.
That’s not x that’s y 😭
That’s normal English phrasing.
I get dragged with. Really debating putting my foot down on the Mega church visit this Christmas though. Such a vile place.
If you want to go to a church on Christmas, you should go to a legitimately Christian church. Regardless of whether you want to go to church on Christmas, you should avoid Christofascist churches. Christofascism is antithetical to Christianity.
Around here we only believe in white supply side jebus.
I want to see my sister and my niece. Other family shows up too, kinda hard to control that
a small edible (or giant bongrip) beforehand should do the trick
If I’m lucky they’ll finally shut the fuck up about “Somalians”* and talk about football instead, even though I don’t really care about football.
*(I understand “Somalians” isn’t a what they’re called, but the racists in my family never bothered to learn that.)
Honestly this is my hope too, that they’ll just shut the fuck up about politics. I really hope these next two years remind my family how to be people instead of walking propaganda machines.
That’s my experience. They just shut the fuck and don’t want to talk about it when they lose, but when they were winning (just barely) it was all they could ever speak about.
Put the pronouns back on the Christmas card aunt Karen!
Who wants to bet if Epstein files will still remain unreleased?
It’s theatre.
They could leak it right now.
They don’t even have to have the actual files in hand. Just share what they’ve seen with their top secret clearance. One press conference.
They’d be heroes to every non-billionaire in the USA, and Democrats would hold office for the next 40 years uninterrupted.
I wonder why they don’t? Hmmm. It’s a puzzler
sadly theyll probably never do that because they like the money they get from their friends in the files
I was so well-behaved these midterms I brought up these elections to no one
But boy did they bring them up to me…
I was supposed to finally enjoy a short little moment of peace and instead I’ve slept a total of 8 hours in the past two days…
