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Attitudes about gays and transgenders actually got worse coming from the 1960s into the 1980s. The sexual revolution actually created a generation far more open and accepting, and the culture that lead to things like the Satanic panic, war on drugs, and resurgence of patriotism and religiosity in the United States actually made things worse for gay and trans.
Indeed, and in a broader view, humanity has literally always had trans people as long as it has had a concept of gender. So “in the 80s” is emphasizing the cultural lie that acceptance is a recent phenomenon, when actually bigotry about it is the recent phenomenon. The 80s were certainly not an amazing time for LGBTQ folk, but Playboy at least would have been sex-positive and accepting.
So this isn’t a “stopped clock is right twice a day” situation, because sex-positive spaces and media would have been more reliable clocks than the culture at large, when it came to this subject.
There were 2 types of baby boomer. The culturally freeing, drug taking, sexual revolution, playboy buying type.
And the type who hated those free people and thought they were morally wrong. If they were invited they wouldn’t have turned up to any of that stuff anyway.
I’d love to see a study on if the free living cohort died early or not. Because they aren’t in the majority of that generation now. Voting wise they swung the US towards the Republicans, the “greatest” generation and the “silent” generation leaned democrat.
Lots of what was seen as progressive could be framed as no-one should face an oppressive culture. Or it could be framed as I shouldn’t face an oppressive culture.
It will take a hundred years before the bizarre social coincidence of such a large generation gets understood. Once they, and maybe their children, aren’t around to write the history books an objective viewing might not show them in a positive light overall.
Coasted on the success of the generation before, taken from the generation after. Held back social progress as soon as they had wealth.
Also the hippie counterculture was called a counterculture for a reason. It wasn’t the majority.
There was a study somewhere in the reddit days that would say: every generation gets to be mostly leftist when young and transition to rightist as they age; but the last generation (millennials? Z?) also tends to follow the trend but the trend is weaker than it ever was. Remain to be seen where they learn when they get r to middle age.
Culturally I can see it.
Economically I can’t.
The silent generation and greatest generation didn’t track that way in the UK.
The similar studies I’ve seen show the boomers lurching to the right and older generations being basically consistent post war.
This also tracks with the “post war consensus” between parties in the UK and essentially identical Keynesian economic policy until Thatcher and Regan in the US.
Being part of the post war rebuild and remembering the new deal that generation remained essentially Keynesian.
Boomers went full on Ayn Rand and hand of the market trickle-down economics. Gen X get to hide in the noise, millennials are consistently against trickle-down economics having come of age in cut backs and austerity. Even favouring full on socialists. Gen Z basically track with millennials economically.
The culture war might make it seem like we all track right over time and the millennials are different to zennials. If anything Gen Z being clearly more outspoken on environmental issues is making some millennials I know more liberal rather than tracking to the right.
While some millennials don’t like being told the homophobic jokes they grew up with in sitcoms are wrong. Most seem to accept that and move with the times still.
The culture war might make it seem like we all track right over time and the millennials are different to zennials. If anything Gen Z being clearly more outspoken on environmental issues is making some millennials I know more liberal rather than tracking to the right.
As I get older, the more I become a leftist. Age has brought me insight about the numerous world’s problems and we need to show solidarity in tackling all these issues.
Sweet, I’m not middle aged yet! (Millennials can be as old as 43)
I mean, when life expectancy is in the early 80’s and you’re half of that…
Nah, they’re going to figure out how to keep us alive longer to extract more wealth and effort
If so, the whole of eastern Asia should probably get on that, what with their 0.50 birth rates and impending societal collapse…
Not to mention aids
Led to a big dip in the arts as well.
Look at Tony Best Musical winners/nominees from the 90s. The only truly memorable ones (and probably the only ones still touring) are Rent (surprise, AIDS!) and Miss Saigon. Then a couple of Disney shows (Lion King and Beauty and the Beast) and that’s about it.
Starts picking up in 2001 again with Full Monty and The Producers…2002, Mama Mia…2003, Hairpray…2004, Wicked…2005, Spamalot…2006, Jersey Boys and The Wedding Singer…and so on. Nearly every season has had an amazing blockbuster show that has (or will have) staying power. The late 80s and 90s were a total rut for that.
I’d even say it started falling off earlier, circa 1979. What did we get after Sweeney Todd? The entire decade, best shows were Cats, Phantom, Joseph, Into the Woods and Les Mis. That’s about it. And a lot of people aren’t Cats-people.
The joke itself does a kind of bait & switch, it makes you think it’s going to be a trans joke, but then the last line sort of subverts expectations. The trans portion is necessary for the setup, as the punchline doesn’t make much sense without it, but it’s more a gender inequality joke.
Thanks peter
It’s almost like a garden path sentence.
A gender path sentence, if you will
I won’t.
hot damn, that’s a great term
So, for anyone that’s curious, testicles are weird pain wise. They have a lot of pressure sensitive nerves on the surface of the testicles themselves. But if you, for example, were to hypothetically push a needle like object into the center of a testicle. You would feel the pressure of the needle pushing on the testicle, but once it pops through there is very little sensation at all.
Edit: Even though this is true this is NOT medical advice. Do not do this as it could have potentially serious consequences. I feel like I shouldn’t have to say this, but here we are.
I’ll just file that under “things I never wanted to know.”
The closest I can relate is having a vasectomy but even then the pain is in the recovery.
Well, given that they (at least here) do jab you with a needle during a vasectomy in order to apply local anesthetic yeah it’s pretty close. Didn’t hurt all that much though and the pain was pretty quick.
The worst pain of the vasectomy is getting sacked right on the clips afterwards.
It really wasn’t pleasant, lol. I can’t recommend the cauterizing either.
I imagine they are close in pain which is not fun, but also not as bad as you’d think.
Congrats on making me squirm on the couch.
I actually love this
Why do people say “okay, but also….”
When not responding to anyone having said anything? Why is this a thing?
okay, but also have you tried spicing up your non sequitors with some arbitrary segues?
It’s just new slang like mfw, few, fml, catfish, dm, etc It’s helpful to have a sort of common language over so many cultures by all sharing internet culture. When you see something like ‘okay, but also’ you know that likelu even is the point, that there is something they wanna put out there that they know wouldn’t have a normal opportunity to and it’s being playful about it not taking themselves seriously.
Oh wait was that a rhetorical question?
Not rhetorical. Seriously asking.
Okay cool, I hope you get more answers and opinions than just mine then!
Yeah, I think it’s kind of just a way to be like “OKAY, SEGUE TO RANDOM CRAZY THOUGHT”. Like it makes it seem a bit more zany too me while also acknowledging that without more context the post seems kind of unhinged.
Not the worst, although I’m not a fan of the continuation of the idea everyone seems to have that bottom surgery for trans women is the same as “chopping off your dick and/or balls”.
Well sometimes a joke likes to be vulgar and ridiculous to distract you so the punchline hits harder
I call mine a total dickectomy, personally
Where do they put the balls, and therefore, the pee?
Pee is stored in the ovaries.
I see. One can learn new things every day while surfing the web
Facts. This is why men don’t pee and women don’t poop (balls actually store solid waste).
the breets
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It’s a necessary step of the process, how would a woman be able to transition without any parts available?
/s I’m sorry my mind went there.
That’s what all the 9th month abortions are for silly goat.
Should have said “turning it inside out”.
OP is a transphobe and I would like him to be banned.
“Not offensive” fucking narcissist lol. It doesn’t offend the trans community, no, instead it raises one of the biggest problems that 49% of the population has, for which there is no reason beyond that our meritocracy - not all, just ours - operates on sexist principles. If it doesn’t offend you you aren’t paying attention to what’s really important, which of course is always the problem with the sex obsessed.
I mean, it’s a good joke, but to call it not offensive is to self identify as male.
So, uh, that’s the joke.
We should probably call some physicists to document this, as it’s rare that you see such a perfect superposition of both getting the joke and not getting it. You may in fact be entangled with the joke now… Do you feel unusual in any way?
I think they have a relevant username instead
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“Not offensive” fucking narcissist lol.
mate, just get off your phone and go outside for a bit.
Isn’t it not offensive given it’s punching up?
Maybe my biases show, that I think it’s calling attention to wage inequity.
Comedy is tragedy plus time. You won’t find many jokes that don’t have some offensive interpretation. We can laugh about them anyways when we know they are made in good faith. Good faith in this context would be using the joke to call attention towards the prevalent sexism in our society. Obviously you have the right to be offended when you see a known misogynist make the same joke.
Sweet, sweet unreasonabro, if you think the place you call “ours” is 1) A meritocracy and 2) the only place that operates on sexist principles, then I formally request an invite to the incredibly sheltered place you call home, because it’s going to survive the heat death of the universe given how removed from reality is.
Where does someone take offense to the joke? It points out the pay gap unexpectedly, comedy has been used to point out inequality for centuries. They didn’t say they should be paid less, maybe employers could be offended for the generalization that they pay women less lol.
