It’s crazy because random YouTube guys do a better job than actual media personalities discussing the nuances of the game now days.

Yes? Of course they do, the view counts are right there on YouTube and Spotify lol

If you ask 100 fans you’ll get 100 answers.

Every one is trying to find a scape goat right now.

I think the problem simply boils down to the fact our opening night starting line up was Cade - Killian - Ausar - Stewart - Duren.

That lineup is laughable due to the insane lack of shooting.

Naturally we are last in 3PA which has completely collapsed the court making it super hard to score at the rim. And no one on the squad really gets to the free throw line while doing it.

Man, this is getting tiring. Cade has shown many flaws, which SHOULD be normal for a guy who just turned 22, is 93 games into his career, and is carrying a top 5 usage percentage on a team that is last in 3 pointers taken… not to mention, it’s dead obvious putting shooting around him is how you win with his style of play.

He has flaws, as he should. The flaws are bigger than anticipated, still okay. The whole “not that guy” shit is just tired and lazy. If he was truly not that guy, teams would give him a bunch of space and let him trip over his own shoes, but instead they constantly blitz him and double him. I don’t think there is a single 22 year I have seen in my life time that could do a whole hell of a lot more with this group. Maybe Lebron or Luka?

He deserves criticism, just like everyone else on the roster. But if you’re going to do the finger pointing and ignore the rest, point the finger elsewhere, because there is bigger problems.

Just because we are losing doesn’t mean we are trying to lose.

That’s pretty much it. Most people are out on Wiseman as a prospect anyways. We tried exactly what you’re talking about for the last 30 games of the season last year and it was awful from all angles.

I mean, it’s a pipe dream I also share. If I could pick a player who isn’t a top 10 player to come play with the team we have it would be Lauri, but realistically why would they let him go for so little? I don’t think they intentions on moving him any time soon, and if they did some one would certainly put together a better package than we could.

Every single NBA team has one plus other resources and connections for all the help they could possibly buy. They throw money at this stuff because their players are their assets.

He shot 21% from 3 last year. Ask yourself, how many more players that shot that poorly can be fit on this roster.

Nah; absolutely positively not.

“They are victims of all of this”

LMAO. Dude, if they feel victimized they can quit their cushy job tomorrow. I know plenty of construction companies hiring, getting ready to put in a winter of hard labor out in the cold.

I can point to you a dozen examples of a beat writer doing the exact opposite of being a shill, and guess what? They all still work for the same company. You act like they will wake up to a pink slip if they have the nerve to lay out the negative truths.

The craziest part of all of this is that I’m not even on the doom and gloom train. That’s a completely different topic though because the mind boggling part of this thread is you’d feel bad for some best writers to being with.

People don’t talk about Jennings during his Pistons run enough. The stats don’t tell the whole story. They give you a sneak peak if you look exclusively at the games after we cut Josh Smith though.

He got the most out of Drummond. In the PnR or on the break he had a knack for finding him and did it with a lot of finesse. He could take and make difficult shots. He was super nice if used properly.

Eh, it’s really not. A turnover has a 0% chance of going in, any shot is better than that. A missed shot also has a chance at being an offensive rebound, you can’t offensive rebound a turnover.

This isn’t a great thread to reference, because it’s before any of us knew what weaver was doing with the pick we got in return.

If you would have asked if opinions changed on the deal two days after the draft the answer to your question would still be yes.

Who saw Monty chewing Iveys ass?

Cmon dawg can we just use our heads a little bit? He will be 35 this off season, he won’t want to be here and even if he was he doesn’t come close to fitting the timeline.

If you really want to cook up shit that isn’t going to happen, start talking about unloading to get Lauri or Zion, at least that is like 2% possible instead of the 0% like going and getting Demar.

That’s you’re pre-draft flex? That you called out one bust by predicting another guy who busted a little less would be better?

How much scouting were you able to really do on wiseman? He didn’t have a lot of footage. I’m assuming you saw some highlights and just decided you didn’t like his game, which is fine, however he wasn’t drafted based on what he could do, but rather what he was projected to be able to do in the future.

Toppin is 25 and wiseman is 22, so that’s still a thing as well.

The smartest 2020 draft outlook was pretty much “this is really difficult because a worldwide pandemic shut down the most important part of the year. I have no clue how these guys will pan out. Especially wiseman and lamelo since we hardly have real footage on them”