I’m just asking if/when Troy should be on the hot seat for Detroit’s record. Yes, they are in a rebuild. Yes, they were terrible in Blake’s last years. Yes, work needed to be done to the roster. Yes, Detroit has some young talent. I’m not arguing any of that. What I’m arguing is that A) Detroit I think has the worst record in the last 4 years https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/worst-nba-records-last-4-years (not sure if there’s a better web site for this), B) they were dead last last year, C) they are in last so far this year. I can understand their terrible record in say 2018-2020, those years were a tire-fire, but have the Pistons turned a corner, or should they have by now?
Are people generally happy with the job he has done? Are the Pistons headed in the right direction or do they need to do another rebuild after this rebuild? Are people happy with the roster Troy’s built up after 4 years?
The last two summers with $30 million in cap space each and to come away with nothing is not excusable. He made that Joe Harris deal even before free agency started. This is where Weaver has lost me. No creativity, no smart signings of vets that can actually help on the floor on prove-it deals, nothing.
And this new thing of keeping Ivey nailed to the bench is f’ing outrageous. But, that’s another story.
based on this sub
He should be on an electric chair
who’s on the hot seat Milwaukee…
Where can we say Troy has absolutely failed?
Hayes was a miss when Haliburton and Maxey were available. Turner Kennard into Bey into Wiseman. Handcuffed the franchise’s flexibility tying a conditional pick in the trade to draft Stewart (maybe his biggest blunder).
Signed Grant as a FA that eventually turned into Duren.
Drafting Cade was inevitable at one. You can argue Mobley or Barnes would be better. Cade was the pick.
Screwed in the draft lottery in ‘22. Still got Ivey at 5. Until recently, we almost all viewed that as a good get. The trade to get Duren looks like a massive win.
Got Bojan for next to nothing. Got Burks in a salary dump. Monte Morris was essentially a salary dump and I believe he’ll be a good contributor whenever he’s healthy.
Screwed by the lottery again for the ‘23 draft and still got what looks like our starting SF for the next decade.
I was disappointed with our FA haul. Morris is a nice bench piece. Joe Harris is dead weight unless Weaver can trade him elsewhere to get a roster upgrade. Cam Johnson would have been nice, but at $30+ million on a guy who tends to miss a lot of time? I don’t know.
I think it’s fair to be critical and the start of this season has looked horrendous record-wise. But I don’t know if Weaver has necessarily failed as a GM. I think their medical staff has sucked, though.
I think the staff and the players are to blame here, the ones on the court have to play better in the little ways
Great cap. Well said.
Ivey was the right pick at 5. Recent hysteria can’t cover up the fact that he’s playing better than the two other options - Sharpe and Mathurin.
If I were Tom Gores, I would think about it this way. Weaver has laid out a coherent strategy and pursued it pretty well. Some good and bad luck, some good and a few questionable moves. But he’s done a good job building our talent pool. We had a bad record because we were trying to get good draft picks.
However, Gores might still fire Weaver after this season as a sacrifice to the angry mob. The fans don’t like to hear it anymore about “not skipping steps,” they want results. So you buy time by firing people. We already played the “fire the coach”. If the development is too slow, you fire Weaver after this season, but you still got the benefit of the strategy: Cade, Duren, Ausar, Ivey, and a clean cap sheet.
So Weaver is not on my hot seat but he is on “the” hot seat, in terms of likely to be fired if our record is bad.
Anything involving Gores has a fair amount of unpredictable volatility. He fired Mo Cheeks when a team starting Josh Smith, Greg Monroe and Drummond had a .500 record.
However, Gores might still fire Weaver after this season as a sacrifice to the angry mob.
I don’t think Gores could care less about what the fandom thinks. He’s always gone his own way. And why should he? His team is run by professionals and he’s making a boatload of money anyway.
I’d argue that it’s bad practice for any owner to answer to the “angry mob.”