From reading the posts and comments here, it’s clear that not everyone knows the situation. It’s frustrating that most discussions are gated by two narratives:
- “Players don’t know balance, so why should Riot listen?”
- “Players just abuse Riot, so how could they find good feedback?”
What Vel’Koz mains have done is provide a lot of civil and detailed feedback.
Now, here’s the issue: it’s not even that the suggestions are bad, it’s that Phreak (in his video) pretends no one has ever given suggestions, and that players just say that Vel’Koz sucks. Even the most biased people here can see, from the posts, that this is just untrue.
This is complete disrespect by Phreak against his players, and is what people are angry about. It’s such an insane attitute to have, which hurts communication and relationship with the players.
So I hope you can better understand the case now, and make your own judgement.
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The way i see it, Phreak really doesn’t give a shit, in fact he prob thinks vel is too good atm, him being an adc main and all, ive been highly against a lot of phreaks changes this season as it has created a power vaccum between marksman and other classes, in fact marksman are so overbearing atm that even a 0/0 marksman feels way too strong, and from what ive seen, marksman are basically designed to be able to outplay every other class in the game rn, which in of itself isnt a huge deal…but the fact most marksman can kill you early because you missed 1 skill shot is massive issue, and why I think the class needs to be relooked into if we’re giving them better/earlier scaling
It’s my firm belief that it’s Phreaks job (or anyone who is in his roles job) to be able to filter out the usual rants and complaints about their main not being strong or abusive and toxic comments vs actual legitimate concerns and constructive criticism.
If he can’t separate the two, and at least address the legitimate feedback, if not makes changes based on it, while ignoring the crazies and the whingers, then he’s not fit for his role and needs to step down.
Ok but they can be as civil as they want, but as the situation ramped up there were like 15 posts a day with completely differing changes. This has nothing to do with Phreak being a forever jerk, it’s impossible to syphon a sub where they all say there are issues with their main and then every player has 25 different solutions. Maybe if they all spoke to each other instead of individually posting 30 times a day they could come up with one solution they’d like to make their main suggestion. Otherwise it’s completely impossible to parse through a sub full of Iron to GM players that all want different changes and constantly post about it.
How about we reframe the problem.
Phreak’s videos aren’t scripted. He does a little bit of powerpoint work, but the video itself is usually one take with him going down a list of changes for the game. People are treating it like it’s a carefully scripted lawyer speak that’s been reviewed until it says nothing. If you can’t handle that, then don’t engage with it. If you can handle someone being a little unfiltered, then watch.
But people are looking to take offense and Karen their way around reddit in an attempt to cancel people.
Riot doesn’t respond to good and polite feedback though. This is the issue. They only respond once the 0.1% of mains freak out and send death threats. This is the bigger issue, ignoring the positive feedback that is given.
Phreak (in his video) pretends no one has ever given suggestions
Everyone is a vocal minority and because they don’t have 90% of the playerbase posting in 1 reddit, the feedback doesn’t count.
Still people act like phreak is so special for making these vids bro i dont need condesending egoist gaslighting me about patch notes i can read them myself lmao
phreak definitely does this on purpose, bro needs an excuse since he doesnt want to buff him in the way players want it to be
God people are so whiny. Devs do listen, that doesn’t mean the changes are right. Also you’re never going to bat 1000
You still don’t understand. He’s failed on the first level, which is listening, as outlined in my post.
What if I was tasting your scrambled eggs and I said, “Hey, to improve, you could better control the temperature, put in more salt and use a different pan.”
Then you go, “All you say is that my eggs are trash, that’s not helpful!”
See how rubbish this conversation is?
And it’s not all of Riot, it’s just Phreak. August, for example, is awesome in how he does his work and talks to people.
And if this is Phreaks unmasking of how he feels and does balance then he shouldn’t be doing balance at all. Get bad bias out of the game.
okay here’s the easiest solution for the velkoz situation. tell riot he isn’t doing well and suggest looking into velkoz. that’s it. no, fix his w, increase q damage, none of that. let them decide how they want to approach the problem with velkoz and or other champs that are not doing well. tell them look into it and don’t suggest anything until they say what you guys want to change for velkoz or other champs.
remember guys, you aren’t game designers and qa testers. let them do their jobs.
Bang on, finally somebody summarizing the issue while avoiding pointless debates of which boxes you have to check(IT degree , High elo, etc) in order to be able to give feedback.
I don’t think death threats are ever justifiable.
Phreak is bad at game design and balance, that is not news though.