Nowadays when you search all roles you get either pos 5 or Mid, I haven’t seen any other role when searching for all of them. How is Mid not considered a “High Demand Role”?

I know that Valve set it up once for pos 4 and 5 and never touched it again but maybe it’s time for an update? Or even better, dynamically adjusting which roles are currently in high demand?

What do you think?

  • MarconidasB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    I almost never get Mid as a role when farming for role queue tokens, so from my perspective, the very argument presented in the topic is flawed. When I go role queue farming, I end up with pos4 in around 20% of my.games, with pos5 being most common and pos3 being second.

    Assuming however that indeed there are people who are getting significant role queue tokens on mid, I believe it is because mid vary a lot in terms of punishment. Water runes on both sides on min2 and min4 means that rarely you can punish an enemy mid in this period of time, while supports rotation can alleviate the pressure on whoever is losing the lane.

  • rastlaB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Idk, when I search for all roles, I get Support or Offlane 90% of the time.
    Would love to get mid though

  • taenyfan95B
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    I get offlane 50% of the time, supports 40% of the time and mid 10% of the time.

  • LatroDotaB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    4 is free role, you can stay on lane, you can gank, you can farm, you can fight - it’s all up to you.

    Pos 4 have fun heroes and game is never on you if you lose and sometimes you can farm enough that you turn game around (like Nyx being able to solo almost any hero with dagon).

    Meanwhile as mid you have to sweat in 1v1 skill match up, often playing vs heroes that are really annoying to play against (Necro, OD, LD, Huskar) and more often then not you get flamed for not doing well/better then other midlaner. Also most of your typical fun mid heroes is shit (Ember, Void, Puck, Storm, SF, Exort voker is dead), you are also force to fight more and it wasn’t the case for last 2 years, mid heroes use to farm a lot, now you are required to fight.

    I’m mid player and believe that mid ain’t fun no more, my heroes are shit and midlane become such a sweat fest that I play Weekend League in EA FC to relax and that’s telling something.

    • RaisylvanB
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      10 months ago

      Also to make all of this worse, competent teams for mid often end up with getting rotations mid, constantly turning your wins into 2v1s that you lose so even when you win, you don’t win.

      There’s also the RNG with runes. Even when you have a ward for rune and theoretically when you both have the same mobility, you can just get absolutely fucked on runes/bottle charges which can and does severely hamper your effectiveness.

      Playing mid just sucks.

  • ghostoutlawB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Yea, complete oversight not to make “high demand” roles not dynamic. Like, what is that, an extra 3 lines of code? Lol

  • KrisHwtB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    4 is a low stress role that can be played many different ways.

    2 is a high stress role that is currently very boring.

    The easiest positions to farm MMR right now are the 3/4 role as well. So people are gravitating towards those.

  • amishlatinjewB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Cuz everyone plays the 4 like they are mid anyway, without the pressure of being mid.

  • SubwayGuy85B
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Mid is free BS loss. Doesn’t matter how you play and ppl report you. camp botlane, toplane reports you because you dont tank them and vice versa. see 2-3 teammates died so you don’t go there anymore and farm a camp instead instead of suiciding - report.

  • PluckyLeonB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Its one of the most fun and least stressful role to play so.

  • reichplatzB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    i got mid only once

    its mostly supports and abou 10% offlane

  • monimontiB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    RESPONSIBILITY

    Pos5 and Mid have the biggest responsibility in the game (particularly within the first 20 minutes) and i think most people know this.

    Pos5 because you do not have gold, are on ward duty which dictates the area your team can play in, and have to be slippery (in a sense that you don’t feed). You are also expected to baby sit Pos1 players who by the way are known to be the most toxic role between pinging you when you hit a creep they won’t be able to last hit because it is out of their range or blames you when you are pulling and they got caught out of position.

    Mid because you have the responsibility to WIN your lane, get all runes (technically 4 should be helping secure these sometimes), help out struggling lanes, and make space for 1 and 3.

    BLAME GAME

    * When Pos1 dies, the blame is Pos5 (where’s my 5)

    * When visions are dewarded, blame is on Pos5 (where are the vision ~ even though shop is empty)

    * When enemy has invi and a kill was missed due to lack of dust, Pos5’s fault for not having sentry

    * When Mid is lost, the blame is on Mid (mid ez)

    * When a side lane is lost, the blame is on Mid (mid no rotate)

    CONCLUSION

    Between these two, in order, Pos4, then 3, then 1 are allowed more mistakes and can play the game freely without carrying as much weight as mid and 5.

    In fact, lately, I have seen Pos4 and Pos3s play like Pos1s with afk midas farm strat, whereas Mids eventually get relegated as the soft support. Esp. in this Meta where Willow and Muerta are commonly picked as pos4s.

  • TheBuriB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    confirm. 5.7k mmr, all u get is pos 5 or mid, sometimes offlane

  • RussKy_GoKuB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    4 is the role where no one blames you for anything and you can blame lose on others.
    First in lane, you can afk in trees or chill out while your offlane gets 2v1. When your offlane starts dying, you can call him a noob and your team will blame him for lane loss because he is the core.

    Second, you can avoid buying any wards or smokes. When your pos 5 starts telling you to buy wards, you can call him for his high deaths because he died warding many times. Again you escape the blame.

    Third, you can pick heroes that don’t help your team and have no save. That way your teammates have no way to blame you because you are not an oracle or dazzle. You are just a 4.

    You can stack once for your carry, and fill bottle once for your mid. And boom, you gain favor of your team, you have two cores on your side while pos 5 and 3 hate you.

  • sinkpooper2000B
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    i hate playing mid. so much tryhard sweaty shit in the lane and you will get flamed for farming too much and flamed for not farming enough. at the moment the meta is boring ass strength heroes. there’s also a high chance in pubs you will have to solo lane against some shit like viper or huskar and have your game ruined from the get go