Yeah, the two are totally the same. Thats why the Trump Admin is completely dismantling the state, destroying their network of allies and causing a mass famine via ceasing aid shipments while the dems… didnt do that.
Fuck your FPTP system btw, but comparing the two after the last 2 months just seems moronic.
Oh, and maybe, more of you should have voted.
Im not sure if you actually looked at the words on the meme or not, but it doesn’t say they’re “exactly the same” it says they’re less evil. Democrats teamed up with war criminal Dick Cheney for fucks sake, it’s like they are actively trying to make people not vote for them.
If someone I don’t like or interact with says they support me, that is not me “teaming up” with them.
Dishonest to say only the things Trump has done but not look at the situation equally. Why not mentioned Biden’s reversal of Trump’s plan to withdraw US troops from Somalia?
Secondly, when was the first time you had heard of USAID? I find all these people love to say how many “lives it saves” while they also had only learned about it very recently. USAID was a tool of US neocolonialism designed to prevent countries in the global south from gaining sovereignty.
They are both the same and the last two months has only further confirmed that.
hey only 86 million people didn’t vote
This meme made sense in 2012, not when the Republican Party has decided to be the Anti-Democratic Party.
If anything Democrats have moved further to the right recently
Receipts?
I can wait until you’re out of homeroom.
Not three months ago Gaza had a death toll well past fifty thousand by the most conservative estimates, not to mention the huge amounts of women and children maimed, malnourished and the wholesale destruction of the entire strip’s infrastructure.
Did the republicans do that or did y’all deny reality so much in the pursuit of tHe mOsT iMpOrTanT ElEctiOn oF oUr LiFeTimE that you don’t know what fucking color the sky is unless you ask the DNC first.
The republicans are not diametrically opposed to the democrats, they’re just the same shit but more brash, and (with Trump at the helm) too fucking incompetent to not say the quiet part out loud, maybe because they know their base is so rabid on American fascism that dogwhistles aren’t enough anymore, they need a fucking trumpet.
This is such a bad faith argument you have to be oblivious to everything Trump has said and done to even consider it plausible.
Prior to the election, exactly what did Trump say or do that made you think he was going to inhibit the suffering of the Palestinians or impede Israeli attempts at genocide?
And since he has taken power, how has the situation improved at all due to his foreign policy. Because here in reality he repeatedly said Israel didn’t go far enough and that he would increase arm shipments to Israel. And after taking power he un paused the shipments that Biden halted to force Israel to the negotiation table.
There aren’t really polite terms that can be used for people who might have voted D in the last few elections but then decided they would protest vote and abstain when their best case scenario was to put Trump and all his corrupt possy. It’s like refusing to let your daughter go to prom with her boyfriend cause something about him makes you think he’s a dangerous creep, but then instead just letting her go out unsupervised with a known rapist who murdered his last victim.
All of those things, Biden did too. Biden allowed Israel to do whatever they wanted and he increased aid to them during the height of the offensive against the Palestinian people.
Ao you’re on board with golden Trump statue instead of the strip then?
so you prefer trump and putin in power?
did the republicans do it? of course they did. the US has been funding israel for a long time.
I’d take some less evil, please.
I don’t understand why people who think this don’t advocate for ranked choice voting. Seems like it would solve this issue, right?
No, RCV wouldn’t. The fundamental problem of electoral politics being a game between factions pre-approved by the bourgeoisie won’t change, there are even safeguards preventing unwanted change that losing parties and government branches can pull in the rare event a worker party won.
It’s the perfect carrot, it won’t get passed nor would it change much.
Even if it would, how would it ever get passed when the people who would need to pass it are the ones who are only in office because the system works the way it currently does?
This is just a recurring theme I’ve found when talking with liberals. They like to think about and suggest all sorts of policy ideas as though all we’re missing are some smart ideas nobody has thought of. It’s one thing to say we should have this, but it’s another to have any idea of how it’d be possible to do. Since they have no actual analysis of the system, they’ll just turn around and tell you to vote or call your representative. “We should get money out of politics!” “Yeah, well we checked with the people giving us money and they said no. So…”
You have a few options for enacting ranked choice voting at the national level:
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Win hundreds, possibly thousands, of state-level House and Senate seats with the largest grass roots voter mobilization ever seen in the US to, a) enact legislation in all 50 states or b) ratify an amendment to the constitution, that mandates it.
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Kill enough republicans in a national civil war to make sure that when elections happen, there aren’t enough republicans left to win an election, then enact the above.
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Overthrow the entire US government in a much bloodier national coup and set up whatever government you want.
Kill enough republicans in a national civil war
And democrats, too. Don’t pretend they’re not just as responsible for keeping fptp voting, their party depends on it. If you don’t believe me, look into how coordinated the GOP and Democrats were when suing PSL and the Green party to keep them off several state ballots (and severely whittle down their grassroots funds with corporate-money lawfare). Spoiler: there was no overlap.
It’s one party, two wings.
It isn’t, but I suppose if you hang out in an echo chamber long enough you’ll believe anything.
What echo chamber are you talking about? Existing on the English-speaking internet at all is to be in a pro-US echo chamber, Leftists carving out little enclaves for themselves to discuss topics with other leftists doesn’t insulate them from the overwhelming majority of their existence.
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Imma be real as an European, we kinda have the same problem here even with better voting systems. You either vote for “nothing ever happens” parties or literal Russia funded reactionary nazis.
Scenario I’ve been playing with:
Suppose you are kidnapped by two people. They tell you that one of them will shoot you and then let you go, but you get to decide who shoots. Person A says he will shoot you in the head. Person B says he will shoot you in the shoulder. Which do you choose?
The more think about this the more I like it. Both persons are clearly awful and contributed to the situation. Both could offer better choices but refuse. Both are rather similar in outcomes. But one is clearly worse.
Is it rational to choose to be shot at all? Is it rational to not choose the better of two alternatives?
If you don’t choose, then someone else chooses for you
Then the people who claim to love you choose for you and say that getting shot in the head would be better for you. Any attempt to convince them otherwise is met with absolute disbelief.
Relative to the other fully developed countries, a mainstream Democrat is a homeopathic liberal.
I don’t like this meme
Wow
I think this meme might spur people to be less likely to vote democrat. If the midterms still exist in a year, I want the Democrats to win them so Trump can’t keep destroying America so quickly.
It literally says that it’s important to vote…
Well I think people are bad at reading.
The Democrats aren’t resisting Trump now, why would they after winning the midterms? Both parties are on the same team and neither represent the people.
Oh great, Cowbee the Trump supporter is here. I don’t want to argue with you.
What do you mean Trump supporter? Do you think every Leftist is a secret Republican for being critical of the DNC as well as GOP?
I said I don’t want to argue with you. Quit trying to sealion me into an argument.
I opened the convo with a reasonable question, then you pivoted to slandering me as a Trump supporter with no backing, and now are accusing me of sealioning. Forgive me for calling your behavior out. Don’t respond if you don’t want to, but don’t complain when people call you out either.
If the vast majority of Americans believed the Democrats to be less evil, the Democrats would have 90% of the vote. If that were the case, the Republicans would move ever further left, perhaps even overtaking the Democrats, until they get a chance at winning again.
The reason the parties are right wing is because the voters are right wing.
That’s why we need a communist revolution where everyone will be a happy little comrade
The reason that people don’t vote Democrats is the same reason that people won’t join your revolution.
If you found enough people to support a revolution, that’d mean you have enough people to change the system by simple voting.
The system will never give us the tools needed to dismantle it my dude
That’s not actually how electoral politics works. The two major parties are right wing because that’s what the bourgeoisie allows the US to pick from, not because those policies are genuinely popular. Bernie, for example, had policies more supported by both republican and democrat voters than either other candidate. Policies like Medicare for All are overwhelmingly popular.
Revolution isn’t won at the ballot box because the electoral system is designed from the outset to only allow pre-approved candidates and parties. Revolution comes from organizing, hence why in areas with stronger union presence government policy is usually more pro-worker, they must capitulate.
Revolution, ie the overthrow of the state, has happened many times before throughout the world and will happen many times more as long as it remains the only actual vector for change.
So close…
Seems OG Lemmy hardcore dems have been overrun by critically thinking individuals.
