Bro the OP needs to get off the internet and take a walk.

I’m not kidding. Really dude. Just dump social media. if nothing else off your phone. I have. You’ll take me later.

Reading some of these comments are interesting.

I think many have turned this into “guys I like” vs the original question regarding who is underrated.

We all like George K. He’s good starting NFL DE caliber player. I think he’s probably viewed that way by many around the league making noise in just his 2nd year. That’s properly rated.

Saw one person mention McDuffie. He has a chance at all pro this year. This is the polar opposite of underrated.

I could buy that Danna is underrated. Seems like for years whenever he came in, he produced. Nothing has changed. Well his time will finally come. He’s going to get paid after this year. So maybe there’s an argument he’s also property rated. But for years it did seem like he fell into that underrated category so I could see either side of this one.

Here’s one for this year. Mike Edwards. Outside of that long play he gave up against Smith in the Eagles games, I can’t remember him doing anything but making key plays for us pretty much all year. A guy nobody ever gave a second thought comes in and has played a key role all year long. That’s underrated.

Nothing really to add. The OP hit the nail on the head as squarely as possible with this last paragraph.

His game will have to change once he hits ballpark 33 or so.

Now if he wants to be elite from 33 on, we’ll need to see a less scramble buy time & more pure pocket passer QB Mahomes. He’s good enough to do it. But will he. Guess we’ll see.

Part of Tom’s benefit of playing forever wasn’t just the he kept in great shape but his style naturally leads to being able to play longer in the league.

I think it’s really, really easy when not in someone’s shoes to say “You should pursue this over getting paid as much as you can.” all the while hoping and working in our own professions to get paid as much as we can.

People always have ideas of what to do in other’s business or their money.

It’s just so hypocritical.

After hearing about how the Chiefs thought Toney could be a number 1 WR, I’m good if they pump the breaks a little on telling us what they think about their WR core… We’re good on opinions there Chiefs. Pass.

After first watch, there were some plays where I see why Pat didn’t go to him and others where he should have.

Off the top of my head I remember on his INT to Watson he could have fired that hitch route to Rice down to the 3 or so yard line.

And the next play after that, he was open for about a 9 yard gain over the middle but Pat opted to go to Watson lined up on the outside who couldn’t bring in the inaccurate ball.

Sure. My point isn’t that Pat isn’t Elite. We all know he’s the best QB in the league by a pretty wide margin. All that being said, he still hasn’t been on his usual level of excellence. Could be pressing from the drops. Maybe. He certainly isn’t getting much help but all the same is true. He hasn’t been as good this year.

I was just pushing back on the OP’s idea that he played an “amazing game” which is far form the truth. That’s all.

Man where’s a friend or family member when you need them to say “don’t do it man.”

I really feel bad for this person here. That’s on there forever now. Wow.

I suggest the OP revive this thread if that indeed becomes the case come playoff time. Or even if it does not.

Now I have my suspicions considering the number 1 seed hangs in the balance but it’s possible. Lets see and revisit this theory come playoff time.

I think as a rule whenever a QB throws a redzone int that basically disqualifies you from having “an amazing game”. Very good still on the table, sure. But lets pump the breaks some here and just be real. Pat has been good this year but below his normal standards of his usual excellence. IMO anybody claiming otherwise is just being a homer unwilling to accept reality. There are only 4 other QBs with more interceptions than him this year.

For sure it’s a combination of things. Not just the WRs.

- WRs are trash

- Pat hasn’t been all that great this year. Simply too many Ints.

- Turnovers on a whole every bit as much as the problem as the WRs

- Travis, who previously could never be stopped, now can. We knew at some point some amount of drop-off had to happen.

- Coaching in that this team still largely struggles vs soft coverage. Team struggles or gets impatient with dinking & dunking all the way down the field (plus they have drops) or more so they just don’t like to run the ball vs those light boxes because it’s not sexy. They did it great on Monday. 17 points in the first half then went away from the run in the 2nd when they were well over 5 YPC. SMH. It’s just an Andy thing. It’s not sexy so he doesn’t like to do it.

I think this is a failure by first & foremost the coaches. Namely Andy. But Pat has to wear some of this too.

His affinity for some guys and not others hurts the team in situations like this.

Prime example… Targeting Justin Watson 11 times on Monday. Simply inexcusable. That is a loosing proposition 10 out of 10 times. He cannot be a guy you hone in on that many times in a game.

I’m not saying one can’t improve skills but some of these things we’re talking about is just natural talent. You either have it or you don’t.

Why can’t you run past that guy to get separation? - Because I physically can’t get any faster coach.

Why do you drop so many passes? - Because I don’t have the eye-hand coordination or hands of say Chris Carter coach. (yes eye-hand coordination and hands are blessed skills too)

You can work on skills but at some point you will just be capped because your God given talent level just isn’t on part with the competition. I think that’s the case for most of these guys in the WR room. No amount of “work on it” will make up for the fact that they suck with below average NFL caliber WR talent.

If Travis, who previously couldn’t be stopped, was still that 1300+ guy then I’d contend your initial assessment is right. They don’t need a true #1 WR because Travis was filling that role.

But if you were to tell me that all of a sudden Travis becomes a 1000 ish guy, then that’s a different story. Then yes you do need a true #1. That seems to be the case of where we’re heading.

I don’t think one can blame Veach 100% for the drafting of WRs when I think he’s hamstrung to some extent drafting Andy Reid type guys at WR.

Andy loves his short, quick & fast WRs. He’s had two generational guys over the years in Jackson & Hill but those types are few & far between compared to the usual 6’3 go up & get it guy.

Mecole, Skyy. You can’t tell me Andy didn’t have a big hand in picking those guys as they fit his type.

Yes Veach owns most of this. He is the GM. But Andy is in there. Lets not forget about that.

Show me the person who has said this is all fully on MVS only. He’s the only problem. Where is that person? They don’t exist. #strawman.

He needs to be used more particularly with teams playing off.

Having said that, I think he’s a solid NFL starter/rotational guy but not special.

He’s a power back who runs hard with good speed but he’s not a break it big type of guy because I’ve never seen him with an ability to juke someone or make someone miss. That’s just not his game.

I think he’d be much, much nicer if the Chiefs could round him out with another quality RB of IP’s level but was the lighting to IP’s thunder style of running… Basically like a younger, more explosive McKinnon.

Andy checking his notes…

“Under 5’11? Yep checks out. Lets look into him.”

Ravens easy. Lamar with his style won’t be 100% come playoff time in the cold.