I don’t like the brand related stuff with this team, which he is at least the face of. If we can’t blame him for that then I guess the guy just doesn’t do anything.

Teams aren’t successful unless the players buy in to the coach in any sport. A lot of that is on the players. However, there’s nothing a coaching staff can do when they have the team turn on them. As an owner you can’t just cut a dozen+ players mid season or after the season (maybe a few), so the only practical thing to do is fire the coach or staff.

While the authority structure should be FO>coach>player, these are (egotistical) adult employees making a living for them and their families. It’s a tough sell to get them to go down with a sinking ship even if they are part of the reason the ship started to sink.

In conclusion the burden is on the coach to adapt to the players, even if it means sacrificing your vision/habits/ego, because the owners will side with the majority of the players over you if the team isn’t successful.

That being said these stories are media getting a dunk in for this embarrassing season. Subpar coaching and subpar players pointing fingers at each other is expected on bad teams. Winning solves everything

I think we could’ve made something work for Moses, but scherff was not worth what the jags offered for him. We didn’t need to overpay him to keep him. We ended up overpaying on another injury prone OL anyway in Roullier who we also dumped.

The issue was failing to replace him, along with failing to put out league average lineman in at least 3 spots (every spot, depending on how you feel about cosmi/Leno).

While they are bad now, the o line isn’t that far from being decent. Larsen /cosmi are salvageable and we should look to a slight upgrade at one of the tackle spots and shoot for a cornerstone franchise guy in the other.

Yeah, imagine what the Titans/jets/falcons/Pack would look like with Howell at QB.

Gibson gone, low ball Curl, extend Howell, 5th year option for Davis, shop/restructure/cut Samuel (consider eating dead cap).

I like Curl but he’s not worth overpaying for, one more year for Davis to ascend.

While you’re probably right, I try to look at why a decision in of itself is bad rather than saying a decision is bad bc we are the ones who made it(but you’re right we would’ve botched a good pick)

I’m pro-Howell just like you. He has earned next year but he isn’t perfect. I think we agree but next time I’ll virtue signal harder for you and Howell if he’s lurking in this thread.

The most frustrating part about this team is the season long carousel of “why we lost” each week. If it’s not one thing it’s something else

We swung and missed at QB over the years. At least we didnt mortgage our future or capstring ourselves for Jimmy G, Carr, or Wentz, because that’s who we would have ended up with. Howell despite all his issues is a blessing for a 5th round pick. We were also in the hole from Alex Smiths contract and trading for Haskins.

GM is the weakest part of this org but I give him a pass on the QB woes. There’s no excuses for every other issue (bad drafting/roster construction for the most part, coaching issues) though, and they all need to go.

This is hilarious. Surprised by some of the comments here. I don’t understand being sensitive about this. If we are gonna be bad might as well be silly about it.

You can’t be a fan of this team and be so sensitive, bad recipe.

The culture stuff is the consolation prize/cope for not having a better on field product. It’s good that a lot of the gross harassment/exploitation was exposed to the public with some people held accountable(to some degree), and we are less of a PR disaster(still a laughing stock), but idk how much credit Ron should get for that as law enforcement/the league/media were coming for us (rightfully so) anyways.

As self serving as it is most fans care about on field success as much as or even more than the culture of the organization.

Like in any other entertainment fandom you’re only as defensible as your last movie/album/work.

When it comes to the on field product, just strictly coaching-wise, we get off to slow starts, have bad clock management/challenges, and make adjustments too little too late.

The first one was dumb, didn’t mind the second one

That take is really silly I agree. It’s not like we are playing in the big 12 and padding passing stats. If a pass heavy offense is so easy more QBs would do it. What would the Jets offense look like if they threw 40-50 times per game?

These media persecution complex posts are my least favorite on this sub. I just don’t care what they think of our team, and getting overhyped would be its own can of worms.

A tanking team trying to get the game over with goes for 2 at the end. A coach fighting for his life goes for 2 at the end. Frustrating.

Ido not like the white unis at all. Other 2 are ok

May have fudged the title. I am the guy in the pic

We went from a pervy chauvinistic boys club mediocre team to a boring less problematic mediocre team. Happy Dan’s gone but the culture stuff was hope (followed by cope) that change would lead to something better on the field.

This right here, especially after how flawed the unit was last year