I was just wondering, whether it is possible for any ADC (regardless of their build) to beat these champions in skirmish separated from their team. At the top of my head, I’m thinking maybe a very good Vayne or AP kai’sa or Nilah could do it or maybe AP varus?
Akshan?
Cait purley because of her long range, cc and dodge you can bascially kite. Also, Senna, if she is stacked.
no
Late game, not talking bullshit scenarios, Varus and only Varus, because he can burst them with the correct build.
It’s not about Kiting, it’s about bursting.
No ADC’s outside Varus is able to hold the enemy in a place for a few seconds and pop them like a baloon.
A fed draven could 2 shot them
Depends on what you mean by lategame, if they have normal build and normal summoner spells, where they’re fighting, and how the fight starts/who initiates.
As someone who has played a fair bit of Yi, I continue to struggle against Vayne late game. A good Vayne will just hold her condemn until you Q to her. Then her ult stealth is annoying, because you are so fast if you run the wrong direction you’re very far away. Actually typing this out I’ve thought maybe I’ll try to save sweepers for when I’m fighting her…
If they count: Kindred or Graves? Graves has surely problems into Jax, but Fiora and Yi are possible. Kindred probably needs to play smarter than her opponents. But with her R everything is possible.
I have seen videos on bilibili before where they try out champions in hyper late game in 1v1 scenarios (any 6 items + pot and any rune, but no summ).
From what I’ve seen, vayne is the most powerful champion in 1v1 under these circumstances.
He has also done a tierlist for ranking the best 1v1 champions in these circumstances, with vayne being clear #1 (only bad matchup is aphelios) and aphelios being #4 (losing matchup into jax, ksante, yi, kayle)
That jax build is shit, Iceborn steraks BORK Serylda’s (these items are shit), then black cleaver /frozen heart (these ones are fine).
Nobody in any universe builds iceborn on jax, he should have done Triforce (better in 1v1 vs vayne) or more realistically Sunderer. The Seryldas should be a Shojin, the steraks should be deaths dance or even Zhonyas.
These videos aren’t even using realistic builds. Why the fuck would you do a low damage build and needlessly stack two slows (iceborn/Seryldas) on Jax who an already leap with like a 2-3 second CD.
as i’ve said before, if you believe you have a better build you can prove it by being the jax in the next video agaisnt vayne, i look forward to it
Sorry I don’t waste my time pitting 1v1 full build champs against each other in the practice tool using hypothetical builds that would never see the light of day in any reasonable game; I’m busy spending my time actually ranking up.
And nobody is saying jax can 100% beat vayne but that build is atrocious, but if you’re going to use Internet videos as evidence, at least use reasonable sources.
I am wondering what would Gragas do late-late game…
Mfker gonna be immune to anything but true dmg with his W and he can body slam you to infinity… would it be a game of hide and seek to see if he can reach you to throw the barrel and then murder you?
Some of these answers are functioning as an elo flair
I mean, those are duelist bruisers which directly counter adcs… the fact that Vayne/Kaisa/Xayah/etc have a shot at beating them 1v1 tells you how busted the role is for a role that delivers unmatched teamfight dps. Having amazing dueling prowess on top of that is just giving the class too much agency in every aspect of the game
Vayne is a really good marksman duelist she can stand up to every champ with flash and the right items. Don’t @ me not reading it
Vayne is so fucking stupid, she has a “dodge any skillshots” button.
And you good sir play which champion in which elo?
HoB Kai’san with pretty much any build
Nilah is a braindead counter to any autoattacker
Lucian can burst them before they burst him
Caitlyn / Draven can one shot most of them before they get in range
Xayah / Vayne
No, none. It’s not even close. There’s a reason why you never send the ADC to match a splitpushing bruiser at any point in the game. Jax will just helicopter perma-E dodge every attack, Fiora can do 100% max health true damage with vitals, Yi will easily win once he gets inside Q range, which happily outranges almost all ADCs, and gapcloses any ADC that takes the time to launch a single autoattack.
